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[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world -4 points 5 hours ago (5 children)

Unclear what Apple could even do here.

The obvious answer would be, let people take the risk if they so chose. But the EU also demands security, so that isn't much of an option. It makes no sense.

[–] kaotic@lemmy.world 1 points 7 minutes ago

Eh, I do get your logic and it makes some sense but they literally do it already for MacOS. Apps request access to os level controls and you have to go in and say yes this app has access to control my computer.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 15 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

What risk? I have an android and can select my agent if I want one.

People need to stop mystifying tech and excusing anti consumer products. What is the risk if I choose a different agent? Do they allow me third party keyboards or sms clients?

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world -2 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

What risk?

That this is even a question, shows the problem with leaving it all to users.

We'll have to wait and see how Google responds to these demands. Android has been traditionally more open, but has recently been closed down more; not least because of EU demands for more security. It will be interesting.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Umm, so what. You want restrictions because part of the population is low IQ and tech illiterate? The fuck do I care, buy yourself a flip phone if you can't deal.

If you are "at risk", you probably shouldn't be near a computer or the internet.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Sheesh. I don't agree with the EU locking down Android. But I don't see either how it makes sense to punch this huge security hole into Apple's Walled Garden. Their customers expect, and pay for, a lot of hand-holding.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 1 points 20 minutes ago* (last edited 19 minutes ago)

You have to give your ID to watch porn for your security. You can't install unapproved apps for your security. Using a VPS is illegal for your security. Companies need to keep detailed information on you for your security. Can't have anything encrypted for your security.

Every shit decision lately has been for our security but mostly just seems to be about killing competition or destroying privacy.

As if they couldn't just solve it by putting a dev mode, but that would hinder profits which is the real reason for all this. The ones that want apple to hold their hand and lead them around like a child can just not use it.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 0 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

The EU is the reason that people use browsers other than Chrome, they've also the ones that forced Microsoft to allow browsers other than internet explorer in the first place so they're also the reason Chrome exists. All good things in their time.

There has been no risk from removing walled gardens. If any person is not comfortable for any reason about using any AI other than the included one then they are of course free not to make any changes. This is about choice and ensuring customers have choice. Meanwhile here is Apple acting as if the concept of an API is a revolutionary idea.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Oh come on. That's a pathetic attempt at fanboying.

My God that was an incredibly whiny article I'm upset that I have to read that. Here's the only bit that actually has any substance to it. Emphasis is mine.

Given the serious risks to users, Apple designed a solution called Trusted System Agent — an intermediary that would allow virtual assistants to safely access the same features and capabilities as Siri AI for devices in the EU. Apple also shared a plan to launch Siri AI in the EU while gradually rolling out this new solution over an 18-month period. The European Commission said no. In fact, the European Commission did not agree to any of Apple’s proposals.

So Apple asked if they could just launch anyway and then maybe possibly introduce compliance in a year and a half. Yeah right of course the EU rejected that.

If Apple needs 18 months to introduce a proposed solution then what they can do is they can release the new Siri in 18 months with the proposed solution implemented. I'm sure if they come to the EU with that that will be accepted, which I'm sure the EU told Apple.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 1 points 52 minutes ago

If Apple needs 18 months to introduce a proposed solution then what they can do is they can release the new Siri in 18 months with the proposed solution implemented.

So you're agreeing with me?

[–] glockenspiel@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

EU demands security theater. They are attempting to force backdoors into all of these APIs and systems (including locally run AI) for the nanny state. Very unfortunate.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 1 hour ago

You get the EU is not a single unified entity. It's not a government, they don't have any reason to want to spy on their citizens because they don't have citizens because they're not a government.

[–] Crit@lemmy.wtf 1 points 2 hours ago

Locking controls away from users is not security.