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[–] communism@lemmy.ml 17 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

I think the point about convenience is more about familiarity than Windows being inherently easier. Speaking as someone who switched from Linux to Windows previously, I found the change very difficult as a lot of the FOSS software I was using didn't have Windows versions. I had a nightmare trying to read one of my LUKS-encrypted drives on Windows. I was practically using WSL for everything. That's not that Windows is inherently harder than Linux; it's just that I was used to Linux and the FOSS ecosystem, just as some are used to Windows and their proprietary ecosystem.

If your hardware isn't working properly, you have to find drivers that run on Linux; if the developer never made Linux-compatible drivers, you have to figure something else out.

Most drivers come pre-installed with the Linux kernel or your distro—I never had to manually install any drivers for my current hardware. Compared to Windows where you will have to go out of your way to install graphics drivers for NVIDIA or AMD depending on your graphics card, if you want to make the most out of your card's capabilities.

Installers made for Windows don't need any special TLC; you double-click them and they work.

See, I think if you've used Linux for any length of time you'd quickly find the system of package managers way easier than the system of having to hunt down an .exe on the internet, guess whether or not it's a legit copy or if it's malware, and manually manage updates for all the different software you have installed.

I agree that people stay on Windows out of convenience, but it's not convenience as in Windows is inherently easier, but it's convenience as in you're used to the way things work on Windows. Because in my perspective, things do "just work" on Linux, and that's because I'm used to the way things work here.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 hours ago

I've been on and off into linux for years, but finally decided to go full in on my main. Now using windows is HORRIBLY unintuitive. Its really gone downhill. Xp was peak.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

You have to install nvidia still whether you chose to do it manually or rpm. If you did none of this you’re staring at nou and if you never had more than one screen you probably didn’t even notice. And if you never ever had to do anything more complex than documents or watch movies( which you couldn’t do without installing some codecs) you’re probably untouched by it.

Additionally some (complex) software won’t run unless you also install something other than Wayland. This isn’t stuff you’d have to consider on windows. in fact sessions are not even a thing on windows you have to think about when it comes to software or graphics.

And then there’s permissions…

So just pointing out not all drivers have been installed. You do have to customize the build to needs which isn’t so much the case on windows.

That said : it’s not a big pain in the ass once you figure out installing is just like the same command over and over again and there’s no going and downloading from a website or clicking install or clicking through a wizard. ( other than the initial ‘y’)

Overall I found the Linux install process a giant relief over windows.

it’s just a bit to realize first time doing it and would prefer we be transparent about this and not over sell Linux as if it’s some sort of magic coconut oil. Be realistic : yes there’s some learning moments. No, it’s not that bad. Personally I thought it was worth it and less painful than what up I had to do with windows.

EG: I no longer have to keep a folder of ‘favourite software’ in case I had to reinstall windows/get a new computer

I just had to keep a backup list of ‘sudo dnf install’ commands and it just conveniently sits on the non boot drive that is accessible for copy pasting after a fresh install which is really quite nice.

[–] eronth@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

Thank you for being rational here. It drives me bonkers how many people try to act like Linux is "just as easy" as windows. Like, yeah, to some degree it's getting used to the differences, but there are definitely considerations and complexities that you simply don't have to worry about with a windows machine.

As a relatively recent convert, I can say it was easier than I was expecting, but it was not "just as easy" as installing windows. It took more time to set up all the extra bits I needed/wanted, and I'm still not fully set up the way I'd like to be.

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

The first time I updated some 50 programs by running a single update command, I wondered why it hasn’t been the standard since the start.

[–] nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de 3 points 4 hours ago

This, so much. Looking back, it's just insane that pretty much every program you don't regularly use will beg for updates on Windows. There are some bandaids like WinGet now that I appreciate, but it's still nowhere as seamless as when the OS and the whole ecosystem around it are designed with a package manager in mind.

A huge chunk of the time I have to spend on tinkering is probably already saved by me not having to wait for updates.

[–] Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

As a recent linux convert I found printer drivers and setups to be a pain and getting java runtime working was a process but everything else was about a days worth and it just works. Hell, even hitting the windows key on the keyboard and typing the ms name for stuff pops up the relevant linux program. If you didn't know you were looking at something different, it wouldn't be obvious for the most part.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Just curious, what brand of printer do you have?

[–] Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Brother. Weirdly, the scanner setup was completely painless and even easier than in wondows.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I did not even notice putting in a driver for my brother but I use it by usb. Is this more a wireless thing?

[–] Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

No, the generic usb driver wouldn't work for me. I only was able to get it to print a test page weirdly.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I had a way different experience and its kinda funny as I use an lts distro that is even out of date for that. I have things that would not print properly in windows and it was easier to do it with linux.

Once I got it up and running, it has been like you described, way better than windows.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 8 hours ago

Yup. I started wirh Linux, and trying Windows was a bit of pain.

I had to run some mystery (included in installer) script to create local account (BypassNRO.cmd), then I remember having to change something in registry, but I don't remember what that was, disable BITS and SysMain because they were slowing down the PC, disable automatic updates in Group Policy Editor because there's no other way, get printer drivers from archive.org because despite HP saying it should automatically install, Windows said to get it from manufacturers website, and the Bluetooth would just randomly dissapear despite always working on Linux (Mint).

Well, and on Linux Mint I just had to install Nvidia driver and Realtek WiFi drivers in Driver Manager (GUI).

And of course, Arch was a bit harder to set up, but the Wiki is done well, so nothing too crazy. But I should probably revisit it, because honestly, I don't remember how I set up my PC anymore. I went with encryption and boot separate from ESP, which differ from the default guide.