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I'm my country drinking tap water is as normal as paying people a living wage. We don't usually tip, because people are payed enough already.
I'd say the only thing we seem to have in common is that people love tax evasion.
service workers do earn a living wage. they get it from tips. tips are the wage. it's just paid directly by the customer rather than the business owner. the business owner never gets any of the tips, unless they are stealing.
maybe it would make more sense to you if you consider them as contract workers who are working for you individually when you go into a restaurant? and those who do better jobs often get better wages, and/or those who are more attractive.
This might be the stupidest take of the take. God damn
Wage is predetermined by contract. Getting tips is random money with no guarantees.
No idea why people defend this system. Depending on goodwill of random people is not the way to go.
OK, you can come to america and start a restaurant without tips and see how it goes. You can prove everyone here wrong!
or... places here have tried that before and almost all of them have failed because it's not sustainable to pay people $25+ an hour and customers won't pay the prices on that food when they can go down the street and pay half as much.
good news is you don't live here, so it's none of your concern really.
Like the 10 closest restaurants near me don't allow tipping and pay their workers 22-27 an hour... And they do just fine?
I'm in California.
You might be a idiot full of shit. Who doesn't actually know fuck or all about this topic. Just defending a shitty practice.
where is that precisely? SF? LA? what is the income in that zip code?
I have no doubt it's possible in a very high income area where people dont' care about paying $50 for hamburgers, but you're a fool if you think that's generalization to a zip code where the median income is 40-50K.
Also, how long have they been around? months? years?
a few places in my city went that route and closed after 2-3 years. they were experiments.
What are you talking about? The biggest restaurant chain in the US (McDonalds) forbids tipping. Last I checked they’re doing OK.
Hey, yeah! How do all these tipping apologists contend with all the fast food places that pay their workers and don’t take tips?