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[–] Yaztromo@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Canadians have to get something through our thick skulls. Every time voters in Ontario BC and Quebec tell Alberta they can't develop their oil, they are being incompetent hypocritical assholes.

It’s pretty rich calling the Québécois hypocritical assholes when we effectively destroyed an entire resource extraction industry in that Province that was on par with Alberta’s oil sands extraction operations.

Canada used to be the world’s largest supplier of chrysotile asbestos, with Quebec alone producing nearly 50% of the global supply from the 1940s through the 1970s.

Unfortunately, like oil we discovered this valuable mineral was — you know — killing people, so we wound that industry down. Quebec lost a very valuable industry where they had a commanding portion of the world supply.

So it’s pretty fucking rich to call people in Quebec “incompetent hypocritical assholes” when they went through the exact same thing in the last few decades, for very similar reasons.

Everyone should push hard to decarbonize their own economies before telling others what to do.

And it’s pretty hard to get that done when you keep putting more and more money into the infrastructure to maintain the oil economy. It de-incentivizes people from making the necessary changes to decarbonize. Building more pipelines to make it cheaper and easier for people to burn it in greater and greater quantities doesn’t slow climate change, and it doesn’t incentivize governments (or their voters) to make the changes this planet needs if we want to ensure it remains inhabitable for humans in the future.

And for those who think “our stopping pumping oil when so many other countries do it won’t change anything”, I’d like to point them to the current situation in the Straight of Hormuz, which itself has caused EV sales to be up nearly 3.5% globally from prior to the war and prices to spike globally.

[–] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All interesting points, yet if you turned off fossil fuels tomorrow Quebec would be crushed economically. You can't do it yet we can't do it yet. If you tried with an autocratic wave of a gun you would also be killing millions.

Your ambulances, firetrucks, restaurants and farms etc, all use it despite having a superabundance of alternative energy. The rest of the world have a much less opportunity to switch.

Until we do make the switch, without killing millions upon millions, it's a neccessary evil. We must end it. Until we do, it has to come from somewhere.

I was a big fan of the carbon tax. It was a politically expedient, but ultimate mistake to remove it that shows a lack of leadership and quite frankly, shows how stupid your average Canadian is. It's going to set our transition back a decade.

Europe couldn't do without even in a proxy war over Ukraine, they were buying it from Russia! That should help you understand how not ready we are.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think their point is that it's not just energy that we get from oil, but lubricants, rubbers, solvents, asphalt, plastics, and so on...

EV only tackle the energy part. They still need tyres, seals and gaskets, insulation, road surfaces, and more...

To be rid of oil is a huge undertaking comprising thousands of individual cases of finding renewable alternatives or stopping use entirely. Which is why we need to be working to remove oil from every step today, not partially removing three steps because it's cheap and distracts environmentalists from the other 14,962 steps.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

FFS...the solution does not have to be binary, and people who claim it is are just trying to defeat efforts.

We don't need to eliminate hydrocarbon use, we just need to reduce it to a level the planet can buffer.

[–] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

But the amount we could buffer was 400ppm and 1.5°C. We're way past that. We need to go to zero emissions, then negative emissions.

[–] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Almost everything needed exists. Does everyone have one?