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[–] SuspiciousCarrot78@aussie.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, but OTOH, do we cheer for centralisation of technology for thems that can affords to pay?

[–] Melobol@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Locally run models are available for free. My laptop can run a tiny model 1.8b, so it's useless, and the family gaming pc could use some smaller side medium ones like 8-10b ones.
Right now the bubble is still insane, but I believe the it population will able to afford better chips in couple of years.

[–] SuspiciousCarrot78@aussie.zone 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Maybe but right now, according to the Steam hardware survey, the most commonly owned VRAM tier is 8GB - sitting at around 27% of surveyed systems, with 16GB closing the gap fast.

Even with MoE and llama.cpp tricks, you're not running frontier anything at decent context length without significant fiddling on that - it's possible on 8GB but you're operating with almost no headroom, 16GB might let you scrape by with a Q4 quant MoE.

The very best local coding models (arguably the Qwen3-Coder-30B-A3B MoE or Qwen 3.6-27B) need 16-17GB at Q4 quantisation, and building a system from scratch to run one is probably a $3.5K proposition. With the cost of living crisis hitting everywhere, that means the table ante gear is beyond the reach of many. Even a decent GPU is north of $1K in many local markets.

I adore small LLMs, and know a lot of tricks to leverage them, but 14B is the bare minimum for what I would start to consider competent.

We're boned until 2030ish, when gear gets cheaper (allegedly).

Part of me thinks there's a dark conspiracy at play here. Give people affordable access to frontier LLMs, make self hosting hardware cost prohibitive, then jack up subscription prices.

I think there's a way out of that mess, but it needs people to stop chasing "bigger, better" and start chasing "actually, how can I use what I have to do X instead of needing bigger and better?" but that needs talented devs and a mind shift.

ICBW and YMMV.

[–] Melobol@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

2030 is only a couple years away ;).
IMHO, $4-5k for a computer that can code as much you want is a bargain. If you have a product that will sell.
Conspiracy is right, the bubble is real and they will keep it pumping til it burst. Llms are not the second coming. They are great tools, but they are not solution for everything.
This economical milestone will be really "interesting" in the next 10 years. Interesting as the Chinese curse for wishing you interesting life.

[–] SuspiciousCarrot78@aussie.zone 2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

That assumes prices actually come down.

On purely dollar costs, $5K for a coding / AI only PC doesn't amortise vs subscription or API access. Not for occasional shenanigans anyways.

I've done the calcs, because I wanted to justify the indulgence and the numbers dont stack up. Yet.

Of course, I based that on current rates. If basic subs go to $50/month, exclude coding agents, and API skyrockets...well fuck, I'll go back to modding and retro gaming. I still remember how to code in ARexx, BlitzBasic etc and I keep threatening to make an Amiga or C64 stuff...there are other rabbit holes :)

PS: Lemmy spying on me; YouTube just recommended this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox1mW2N9Z_Y