Been coding for about 30 years now, am I the only one who still LIKES to code? Who still LIKES to try writing a new approach to something, watching it fail, figuring out what went wrong, taking notes, learning from mistakes, and noticing improvements in their own code? Cuz it's starting to feel like it. Web development already lost me with the culture of "glue a bunch of bulky shit together that you didn't write and call yourself a 'dev' to the ladies" but this AI shit is getting absurd. And it doesn't even work! Look at how shitty all the operating systems are getting. Look at all the total slop on the app stores. It's depressing as hell.

[–] HopeOfTheGunblade@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 minutes ago

We need to build a culture that values process and making beautiful things for their own sake, not simply Pile Dollars Higher, which is killing the planet and making us all miserable.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 5 points 2 hours ago

Right there with you. I suck at it but I still find the pursuit worthwhile!

This crap is brought to you by the people who are positively baffled that someone would want to learn to make music, and enjoy the process, instead of just have it generated so they can hit "publish" and supposedly be making money off of it with zero real effort besides "having an idea."

[–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 hours ago

Reject their web development culture and make your own sites that run smoothly on devices using a fraction of the bandwidth theirs do.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 4 points 3 hours ago

I had the same problem with translating back in the day. I really liked tackling a text in a foreign language. In the end all the pros of computer-aided translation boiled down to lining the pockets of translation agencies with even more money while paying translators peanuts.

[–] one_old_coder@piefed.social 4 points 3 hours ago

I love coding and learning new languages. I'd rather move to another industry than reviewing vibe coded crap all day long.

[–] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I too enjoy actually writing code. I feel fortunate that I was able to make a career out of something I enjoy so much. I am not sure that most people had that experience. Alas, it seems like the industry is paying me to set up guardrails and supervise AI agents. I am not sure how long this will last, but at least I know that I will always be able to enjoy programming as a hobby if nothing else.

[–] w33n1s@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I'm glad you have enjoyed it as a career. I never even tried -- I have a dumb rule that I won't do anything I truly love for work. I guess because I don't want others ruining it. lol

[–] thevoidzero@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Yeah, I think it used to be like that, then because programming paid a lot everyone started wanting those jobs even if they didn't like actual programming.

[–] ItsMeForRealNow@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I also do. One unique important thing that agents rob you of is time with your code - you don't get to craft it so you remember just as well as you would have if you copied answers for a test.

[–] w33n1s@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

That's an excellent point. With my larger personal projects, which I have to put away for weeks at a time due to my (not-at-all-programming) job, I can come back and (more or less) dive right back in because I used patterns and organizational structures familiar to me. And if I'm digging into a particular thing, I can eventually remember all the trials and tribulations that went into the decisions I made to get to that point.

With AI code you get none of that, like you said. I can't imagine not knowing or understanding why something works the way it does, and releasing it, with my name on it, for others to use.