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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 118 points 1 day ago (32 children)

Blue states should go ahead with plans to redistrict regardless of what happens. Play for the political landscape you have, not the political landscape you want. The way maps are already gerrymandered nets Republicans 16 seats in the House.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (27 children)

Blue States simply won't do this, because they are not part of a coherent national political project.

They'll bluff and then hope Republicans fold.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I'm hoping that, with the dismal polling for Democrats, the ones who want a future in politics, like Newsom, are recognizing they need to be tougher.

Maybe I'll kick the Hopium habit if/when we're no longer conspicuously moving toward a dictatorship.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I am just super not excited with the new rhetoric you guys are already having about Gavin Newsom being awesome. Newsom has been pretty not awesome for a long time and I fear liberals are going to want to back him in the next election because of this crap.

To be clear, I think he’s in the right on this issue.

[–] cuteness@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

My hope is that someone awesome sees that even someone as bad as newsom can get support by just fighting back a little and then starts fighting back. Newsom wouldn’t be getting the attention he is if the dems were so spineless to begin with.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 2 points 1 hour ago

Yes. The way he is handling this is actually good, and how the democrats should have been handling their political battles as soon and they realized trump was gaining motion.

But the democrats are a combination of lazy and stupid and corrupt that they didn’t care enough or were too incompetent to stop literal fascism so they just didn’t do it. Nice to see someone kind of stepping up for a change.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I'm very lukewarm on Newsom, and sincerely hope he's never a Democrat candidate for president. That said, griping about his shortcomings when he's on the cusp of doing the right thing is counterproductive.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 1 points 1 hour ago

Whats counterproductive is trying to do pragmatism with the democrats when that has consistently failed in horrific ways for the last four decades. “Griping about his shortcomings” dude, that makes it sound like this guy hasn’t done monsterous failings. Shortcomings is such a watered down way to describe this guy.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago
[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 2 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Don't know how to tell you this, but the guy making the rounds on conservative podcasts probably isn't who you want leading the Democrats

[–] slickgoat@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

There is no point in preaching to the already locked-in. You need to find converts in enemy territory.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 57 minutes ago

Jesus Christ you people will chase Republicans if you have to bring the Cheneys on the stage to do it.

Oh wait!

They already did that, lost, and now their bots keep insisting on doing the same thing and expecting different results!

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

I didn't say I want him to lead the democrats, I said I want him to gerrymander California.

[–] Balex@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Why is that a bad thing? Should Democrats stay in their echo chamber and Republicans stay in theirs?

[–] grue@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago

It's a bad thing because they're doing it to pander to conservatives, not challenge their beliefs. Folks like Sanders, AOC and Mandami are welcome to go on conservative talk shows, but neolibs need to fuck off.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 2 points 20 hours ago

This whole 'reach across the aisle"schtick that the Democrats have been doing for the past 30 years clearly isn't working, and has only dragged the country further and further to the right. He doesn't go out and challenge their views, he tells them why they are gonna love what he has planned for the future.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

the ones who want a future in politics, like Newsom, are recognizing they need to be tougher.

They're recognizing they need to cuddle up to TPUSA and the AIPAC lobby. Hence Newsom's choice of podcast guests.

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