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[–] pomegranatefern@sh.itjust.works 69 points 1 day ago (2 children)

To be clear: I am a vegan and think it's a great choice to make for both the environment and moral reasons if you have the ability to do it. I don't really proselytize about it, but it makes me very happy when people choose to go vegan. I absolutely do think the huge environmental impacts of animal agriculture, especially industrialized cow consumption, are things that should concern people and see real pushback on a major scale.

But this feels like a really cherry-picked 'whataboutism' graph and that raises my hackles. In the first place, this focuses on one very specific metric (water consumption) without considering the major other negative impacts of data centers like electricity rates, infrasound noise pollution of surrounding communities, and so on. Other people have also pointed out that this ignores things like the amount of water used in chip manufacturing. Recycling water for data center cooling makes data centers use less water, but, in a cruel twist, also concentrates pollutants already found in the groundwater, which means that the water that does get returned to the environment now has a higher concentration of pollutants.(And yes, in some cosmic irony, agriculture including animal agriculture was involved in releasing those pollutants in the first place). Meta had an incident where data center construction released bacteria-contaminated water into the environment.

And yes, of course, animal agriculture and in particular cow consumption have so many more negative environmental impacts than just water usage, too. I am vegan. I actively condemn this shit. But in general, I have seen this argument used in a lot of "whataboutism" whose primary point appears to be, "this new unnecessary thing we're pushing may cause a lot of bad things, but if you look at these cherry-picked metrics, it's not as bad as this other thing that you already consume, so you might as well let us do whatever we want, too." "You are in blood stepped in so far that, should you wade no more, returning were as tedious as go o’er, so build those data centers" is not a good argument.

[–] Holli25@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have you tagged as "researches before blindly commenting", thank you for staying true to that and the information.

I think the anti-AI protest should not focus so much on one issue, the water consumption was something that often filled my feed. This comparison to beef is kinda weird and ill-intended, as it takes the worst part (the biggest number) of one and compares it to datacenters saying "see, it does not matter, there are worse things". In my opinion the discussion should be more about "do we even want datacenters including all the risks and problems coming with them". And as you nicely put, there are more disadvantages with that and we should be careful.

[–] pomegranatefern@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have you tagged as "researches before blindly commenting", thank you for staying true to that and the information.

I am extremely flattered by this; thank you so much. You've made my day here.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Both of you made my day with this interaction. Beautiful stuff.