Even if he did, Israel terrorists have killed way more people than Hamas ever has. But it's fine and dandy to support Israel, according to the same government that's prosecuting this poor soul.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

Poor soul? The guy was blasting out hate speech and may have been doing so under orders from Hamas. He's a shitty person for his hatefulness, the only question is whether his alleged correspondence with Hamas was a criminal act. Which is something for the courts to decide.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Oct 7 had less than 1000 civilian deaths btw, so not thousands. And i dont think they have killed enough before that to make it thousands. Just wanna stay accurate here.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You seemingly ignore the Palestinians that Hamas has killed. They are an oppressive regime, speaking out against them in places they hold power will get you tortured to death. When the ceasefire began, Hamas executed people in the streets to assert dominance.

And you should know Palestinian civilians are not bullet proof from stray bullets fired from Hamas guns. And Hamas IEDs do kill Palestinians at times. They started a war of choice in a densely populated area and it's impossible to avoid civilian casualties in urban combat.

I think if you add up the Israelis and Palestinians Hamas has killed over the years, it's fair to say they've killed thousands of people.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It might barely get you past 2000 but probably not no. Also if you wanna be really nitpicky, Hamas only exists due to Israeli funding and was built to destabilize the peace efforts of the PLO, so you could even argue that these deaths should be attributed to Israel.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -2 points 2 weeks ago

It's more the opposite of what the propaganda is telling you. Netanyahu is more the creation of Hamas instead of the other way around. Gaza was under Israeli occupation around 20 years ago. Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza and removed all of their settlements there. You know, the thing we always tell them they should do? They did that.

A lot of hope around there being a Palestinian state at that time. But then a plurality of Palestinians voted for Hamas. I suppose they saw Israel's gesture of peace as a sign of weakness. That they should fight Israel even harder to get more. Doesn't matter much now why Palestinians voted for Hamasnow, because when they got power there weren't any elections after that. So even if Palestinians don't want Hamas in power anymore, they can't vote them out. Classic story of fascists taking power with a plurality of the votes and then ending democracy. There was a free Palestinian state in Gaza... for about a year. Then it became a failed state because people got duped by fascists.

So that was the end of Ariel Sharon's gesture of peace with a Palestinian state. Not long after that, Israelis turned to Netanyahu to protect them from the psychopaths that now controlled Gaza.

Many in the "pro-Palestinian" movement are too young to have been around when these things happened. Even if they were, the facts are too inconvenient to admit to. So you aren't going to ever hear about the ugly truth about Hamas from your peer group. There actually was a free Palestinian state in Gaza and it was killed by Hamas. But that was only after Yasser Arafat killed the previous attempt in the 1990s, but that's another story. For there to be a Palestinian state, Palestinians have to choose having a state over hatred of Israel. With the rhetoric I see being promoted, I don't see that happening any time soon.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Okay, fair, from Wikipedia

195 civilians and security forces killed
828+ civilians
367+ security forces
3,400 civilians and security forces wounded
251 security forces and civilians captured

But materially that doesn’t change things. Hamas specifically provoked a war this way. Then they did use civilian infrastructure for operations. They’re not innocent.

But does that excuse the use of white phosphorous cluster bombs and levelling entire cities? No. Denying food aid? No.

This war is incredibly asymmetric, the Hezbollah pager bombings show how deeply Israel has infiltrated these organizations operations. If they wanted they could have done this differently, even if it were more difficult.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Just over 2000 throughout their existence.

[–] sns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

Hamas is the lesser evil in comparison to Israel.

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 3 points 2 weeks ago

You might beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride.

[–] pentastarm@piefed.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

Unless this person was making crediable threats against specific people or places, then this is insanely overblown. Which, I mean tracks for Ford....

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The allies killed a ton more civilians during world war 2 intentionally yet we still pick up that side. Whatever you like it or not hamas still attack the israeli occupation forces making thrm a legitimate resistance group.

The politization of terrorism is disgusting why no settler organization are designed as terrorist orgs in canada? Illegal land sale are performed in canada's synaguoges freely