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[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 8 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Combustion engines have maximum fuel efficiency at a specific RPM. A Hybrid has the advantage that you can run that engine at maximum efficiency 100% of the time and using the generated electrical energy to generate motion. The gains by being able to keep the ICE at peak efficiency are more than the loss you take from the conversion. That's the same principle as in hybrid cars - look up Technology Connections video where he analyzes the behavior of his hybrid car. It is for sure preferable to than just the ICE directly, losing a lot of efficiency and therefor fuel because of differences in needed power output. Combining this into a plugin-hybrid makes - as you said - the takeoff use no or just the default amount of jet fuel at all.

This will not eliminate the need for jet fuel, but even a reduction is preferable to the status quo. Until we get batteries that are light enough while keeping energy density at least as high as now (preferably higher), purely electric long-range flight is not an option that's available.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I don't think you'll ever get there for flight personally. Just need to accept synthetic aviation fuel as the only real option for energy density (both volume and weight) and accept certain modalities being absolutely priced out of air transport.

I guess my main issue is you're now flying around with those takeoff batteries and extra engine components. Is that really ever going to be worth it for anything but those short hop flights this is designed for? And if not why are we even investing in this because those short hop flights frankly need to be eliminated for trains anyway.

[–] son_of_darkness@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

But why you dont believe it? OP gave a detailed rebukal of your initial post, and then your answer is "I just don't believe, just accept that ..."

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 52 minutes ago) (2 children)

You want to know why I don't believe we'll get batteries with enough energy density for sustained long haul flight? I was responding to their last sentence. Ya know, acknowledging that batteries more dense than hydrocarbons isn't really on the radar so for that aspect of things synthetic aviation fuel is pretty much what you gotta accept to go for zero carbon. I had already agreed with them that it's more efficient in takeoff in my initial post. They just expanded on why. I frankly am perplexed at what you think I'm dismissing since we largely agree.

[–] son_of_darkness@lemmy.world 1 points 13 minutes ago

There's a whole world of use cases between no electric and full electric. Take off and landing is one of the profiles where electrification might be useful, if not for efficiency then for reducing noise and pollution levels around airports.

[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 2 points 47 minutes ago* (last edited 46 minutes ago)

To be fair, you probably don't need to achieve the same energy density as hydrocarbons for the vast majority of flights. Yeah, non stop flights from canberra to stockholm or similar distances will probably (at least in our lifetime) always depend on high density fuel. But I can definitely see a near future where 100% of flights on the same continent can be run 100% electric. The energy conversion to electricity is most efficient in power plants and solar, so making sure that as many flights as possible are powered by those sources is for sure something that is preferable to anything we are doing today.

Also, those batteries - after having outlived their usefulness for aviation because of capacity loss - have still a long live in front of them as energy storage for the energy net itself, where a loss of 20% capacity isn't a dealbreaker. Since the largest issue nowadays isn't generation of power, but storage of the same for covering nights, building high capacity batteries is a good thing regardless of initial usage.

Edit: WHY the fuck aren't airports already plastered full of solar cells?