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[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca -3 points 4 hours ago (8 children)
  1. I am 49
  2. My friends are older and younger but the messaging is the same
  3. USSR fell in 1991
  4. Who are you to define "meaningful"?
[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

Not the person whom you asked, but

Who are you to define “meaningful”?

To get a good view on the matter, it would require having worked and having gone through a process of getting new housing both before Gorbachyov and after the fall of the USSR. Something tells me that people who earn, say, 30 000 or so rubles (or an analogous sum) per month today were in a much better spot back before Gorbachyov.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca -3 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

I won't disagree but you're (intentionally?) shifting goalposts.

As already stated and the easiest example is I've been told by multiple friends about waiting in the bread line for their parents for hours. As a North American imagine having to wait for the state to give you your bread for the day and having to wait 6 hours in line to get it. Is this really what people want to glaze?

This is also ignoring the rampant corruption that also existed in the USSR at the time too. You could argue it was more corrupt than we have in North America now.

[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I won’t disagree but you’re (intentionally?) shifting goalposts.

In what way would this be a shifting of goalposts?

A child is likely not going to have much familiarity with important things that are important in this context - in particular, things like getting a job, prices compared to salaries, not having to deal with layoffs, and being able to get new housing. Those things do need to be accounted for.

We also need to take into consideration that Gorbachyov's administration significantly reduced the living standards, and it was his goal to dismantle the USSR. So, we should compare the years before him with the full on restoration of capitalism that people keep claiming to be an improvement.

As already stated and the easiest example is I’ve been told by multiple friends about waiting in the bread line for their parents for hours.

Not great that they had to wait for hours, but this is an inconvenience compared to not having access to food at all. Going to remind you that many people do die by being unable to access food under capitalism. Would you actually say that the situation in, say, Africa, or non-socialist Asia, or in post-USSR Russia and Ukraine was somehow better?

As a North American imagine having to wait for the state to give you your bread for the day and having to wait 6 hours in line to get it.

You are talking about a place with "food deserts", and where people do die by being unable to access food at all.
Also, consider that most of the world does not live in the Imperial Core. Rather, the Imperial Core's wealth is predicated on plundering the rest of the world. You likely only considered the living conditions in the USSR and in the Imperial Core (and not the Russian Empire, not the post-Soviet Russia and Ukraine, and not elsewhere).

Also, you do realise that breadlines are sometimes a thing in the US to this day, as well, right?

This is also ignoring the rampant corruption that also existed in the USSR at the time too. You could argue it was more corrupt than we have in North America now.

"Corruption" is a very nebulous accusation that liberals love to throw at NATO's enemies. Anyway, can't exactly compete in corruption with states that have literal lobbying.

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