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GrapheneOS is currently defending its use of AI coding tools on Mastodon against complaints by various accounts claiming to be users.

We do not understand where you're coming from or why you're so incredibly angry with us. It's not justified and does not make sense.

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[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 39 points 2 hours ago (4 children)

I am not a coder in any fashion but this is the make or break frontier for development, particularly FOSS and small scale projects.

AI is evil.

It is an ecological nightmare, socially and economically distructive, prompted on the theft of the knowledge and work of every creative endeavour any person as ever made and pointed at rendering pointless any future aspiration of individual creation someone may have.

The association has been made and it is not going away.

[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

AI in concept is not evil and could be a good thing .

Unfortunately, its implementation has been at the hands of rapacious, avaricious, and narcissistic über-capitalists, which has inextricably linked AI with the evils you enumerated.

In a different timeline, AI was developed slowly, using heavily-vetted and legally obtained data, and rolled out in an intelligent and safe way.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 9 points 49 minutes ago

We are better off leaving the appeal to alternate time lines for another conversation, preferably around science fiction or comics.

As it exists, as it was created, "AI" is evil. It consumes resources we can't afford to waste and is currently supercharging our pollution indexes and creating what may be a catastrophic collapse of already very fragile and unbalanced social and economic realities.

And because we are already into the sunken cost falacy fase, it will never be rewritten or rebuilt. Hopefully, it will collapse in such horrifying way it will create a cautionary tale, but we are not so lucky, so what we are left with is picking up the bits after it.

This kind of system had to be developed inside laboratories, colleges, universities, research centers, to aid into very niche and specific fields of research, not made to be a mass consumption comodity as it is. But it was, as you very well put it, not done that way.

[–] mote@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS Here you go, argue with GrapheneOS - it's an open platform, go ahead and make a masto account and share your thoughts with them. Tell them what you think! The rep who handles their masto account is very well spoken and presents rebuttals of value so I advise you bring your A game.

[–] LupertEverett@lemmy.world 11 points 1 hour ago

The rep who handles their masto account is very well spoken and presents rebuttals of value so I advise you bring your A game.

Yeaaaah like deleting their earlier posts to mke themselves look better and claiming the "haters" are coming from K*wi Farms.

https://mas.to/@zzt/117246306723269935

Truly good rebuttals right here!

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 hour ago

I'm not going to approach them in any fashion. I have already made my decision about their work/product and the GrapheneOS is not of my interest.

The project must have their reasons but I still insist on what I've stated regarding AI in general.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

You're right, but don't encourage people to brigade GrapheneOS. That's a donation-funded project.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 hour ago

I'm not brigading anyone. They have their reasons, I have my view regarding AI, that is it. I did not attack the GrapheneOS team in any way nor do I intend to.

[–] mote@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 hours ago

My bad, I didn't think of that. My only thought was "$20 says this chucklehead won't do squat" because we know.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 0 points 51 minutes ago (1 children)

AI is not evil. It doesn't have a consciousness. It doesn't make decisions.

What is evil, are billionaire capitalists having full control over the technology.

What is evil, is the concept of closed-source.

What is evil, is stealing all creative works without attribution or compensation.

What is evil, is seizing essentially all the silicon to build these datacenters, then soak up all the electricity out of the grid and all the water out of the ground.

The problem isn't the AI, itself. It's the means that's the problem...not the ends.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 2 points 38 minutes ago

To summarize: something that is being created through highly destructive amd predatory means, by completely deranged people, is not evil.

I can't disagree more. And to quote myself, again, today:

As it exists, as it was created, "AI" is evil. It consumes resources we can't afford to waste and is currently supercharging our pollution indexes and creating what may be a catastrophic collapse of already very fragile and unbalanced social and economic realities. And because we are already into the sunken cost falacy fase, it will never be rewritten or rebuilt. Hopefully, it will collapse in such horrifying way it will create a cautionary tale, but we are not so lucky, so what we are left with is picking up the bits after it. This kind of system had to be developed inside laboratories, colleges, universities, research centers, to aid into very niche and specific fields of research, not made to be a mass consumption comodity as it is. But it was, unfortunately, not done that way.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

"Ai" isn't inherently evil. It's just a tool. An incredibly interesting and marvelous tool, in theory.

What we make of it and how we use it matters. Noone needs stupid chatbots. People should only be allowed to use them after graduating an exam of what they actually are and how they work. In the current state they're 90% bullshit and harmful.

But LLMs surely have great and reasonable applications. People often fear what they don't really understand. And LLMs really are a topic that often even "techies" don't get, so why should a layman.

Yes, they are environmental Desasters. But try to substract all the trillions of silly nonsensical queries millions of people hammer into chatbots, that once were simple search-engine - queries. And it's not THAT bad anymore.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 4 points 45 minutes ago

I'm just going to quote myself, as I'm satisfied enough with the answer I wrote to another reply.

As it exists, as it was created, "AI" is evil. It consumes resources we can't afford to waste and is currently supercharging our pollution indexes and creating what may be a catastrophic collapse of already very fragile and unbalanced social and economic realities. And because we are already into the sunken cost falacy fase, it will never be rewritten or rebuilt. Hopefully, it will collapse in such horrifying way it will create a cautionary tale, but we are not so lucky, so what we are left with is picking up the bits after it. This kind of system had to be developed inside laboratories, colleges, universities, research centers, to aid into very niche and specific fields of research, not made to be a mass consumption comodity as it is. But it was, unfortunately, not done that way.

[–] warm@kbin.earth 12 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

"AI is just a tool" - #1 thing said by tools.

[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 7 points 1 hour ago

Machine guns are tools. As are jets and bombs and missiles.