But you'll pay for it with crippling back pain at 45. Maybe some nice cancer as a bonus, from all the exposure to weird chemicals. Oh, and 90% of your coworkers racist, sexist, homophobic MAGA-heads who'll make sure you hear about it at every opportunity.

The trades can still be good, but go into it with eyes open. It's no paradise.

[–] dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

And the pay. Its usually the people who own the business making lots of money. Everyone else is making slightly above minimum wage working 12+ hour days Monday to Saturday.

[–] Frigidlollipop@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago

Woman here, can confirm. Worked as an aircraft mechanic for a year and a truck driver for another, you will encounter the scum of the earth. So glad to be back to working with civilized humans.

People whine that women wont enter the trades, theres a reason they dont want to and its not because the work is too hard.

[–] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 11 hours ago

Anyone going into the trades for money is going to be fucking miserable. The pay is nice but the pay is nice for a damn good reason. You will have no time, be perpetually tired, and wind up working in some really shitty conditions. Also a lot of that money will constantly be getting spent on tools. Sure most companies provide their techs with some tools and a stipend, but that stipend is never enough and you'll wind up wanting to replace most of the provided tools with your own anyways once you find ones that work better for you.

If you're going to get into the trades it better be because you like working with your hands and beating your head against brick wall problems. In that regard though going from software to the trades isn't that weird of a move. I'm a tradesman now but I nearly got my bachelor's in Computer Science. I loved how coding made me use my brain. I only dropped out when I got a desk job and realized that I wouldn't be able to stand working a desk job. In the trades I get the same intellectual fun without having to sit at a desk all day.

[–] Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 14 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

They're gonna stay like that unless a bunch of woke people join them out of nowhere for several years and convert/push out all of the weirdos

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago

Then you just have the crippling back pain and cancer!

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 9 points 13 hours ago

Joke's on you, I've already got crippling back pain before turning 45.

[–] xtr0n@sh.itjust.works 5 points 12 hours ago

I agree that the trades can be hard on the body and there is a decent risk that your career can be cut short due to injury. However, the characterization of tradesmen as all ignorant MAGA types is unfair. I imagine this varies a lot by region and market but I live in a fairly liberal-leftist area and happen to know a bunch of folks in the trades and they are not like that.

FWIW I am in a fairly affluent city and my friends will sometimes complain about working with subcontractors who come in from the exurbs who will throw fits about not being able to easily park their giant trucks wherever they want or make sideways comments about crime in the city. The response to that is usually something like “oh, you don’t have all these annoying parking rules in your rural town? Maybe you should go work on building multimillion dollar projects over there then? Oh, what’s that? There are no multimillion dollar projects in the middle of fucking nowhere? Hmmm”

There are also trades and regions where unions are still highly regarded.

[–] Codpiece@feddit.uk 37 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Tell me about it. Giving thought to retraining as an electrician given how in demand they are.

[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 37 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I want to get training as an electrician so I can take my house completely off the grid (or at least, be independent with the grid as a redundancy) one day without accidentally burning it down. Then I want to make free software to monitor and manage home power usage, and share it with the world so we can all have nice, efficient, futuristic homes without some corporate combine demanding a monthly fee and invasive surveillance for the pleasure.

[–] buffing_lecturer@leminal.space 22 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I also want you to do this

[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

It's coming along slowly. I don't have any formal training yet, still trying to find a coding job that pays the bills before I commit to a paid educational course, but I've been out of work for a while now and it may be time to take the plunge.

So far my education is mostly just watching youtubers who are doing things similar to what I want to do, like this one: https://www.youtube.com/@ProjectsWithDave He seems legit to me, but I am very new to the field so I feel like I'm the kind of person who could be taken in by correct-sounding nonsense.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 12 hours ago

There’s jobs that will put you through apprenticeships as part of the first 2 years of employment. You do the course work at night (which should be pretty easy if you’ve already trained as a software engineer).

[–] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 hours ago

Depending on where you live, home owners can often legally do as much of their own wiring as they want. If that's the case where you live then you don't need the license, you just need the knowledge. That's still a big hurdle but it's a smaller hurdle than 4 years as an apprentice and then another 4 years as a journeyman.

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Saaaaaaaame

[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 hours ago

I was looking around for active electricians' comms and found this:

https://piefed.blahaj.zone/c/akunohana_learning_electricity

It's new and small, but akunohana is actively posting as they're learning about electricity; I'm going to follow along and see if I can contribute.

[–] DieFledermaus@feddit.org 9 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

How do you do it? I wouldn't mind being a plumber but I have no idea how I'd get started. I don't even know what tools I'd need.

[–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 17 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Your local plumbers union can probably help you get an apprenticeship and get going.

[–] DieFledermaus@feddit.org 20 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Seems I do have a local plumbers' union, and it looks like they are accepting applications. Thanks!

[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 14 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Don't get discouraged if you don't get picked right away. Sometimes they have a year or more backlog on apprenticeships.

If you stick it out, it can be a great career!

[–] DieFledermaus@feddit.org 5 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Thanks, I don't know if they'll want me, seems like they're mostly looking for new high school grads and I am well-removed from my high school years. But maybe my experience with coding will be an asset, somehow.

[–] xtr0n@sh.itjust.works 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

You could also look into becoming an electrician. That touches on more high tech stuff than plumbing. And you get to flex your math skills as a master electrician. I think (hope) that there is a fairly rigorous certification for getting into electrical apprenticeship programs in every region. In the city where I grew up, they had to sit for exams in order to get to specific levels.

Edit to add: while both jobs have too much crawling through spiderwebs in crawlspaces for my tastes, electricians encounter orders of magnitude less poop than plumbers.

[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 5 points 13 hours ago

Every job gets a little more techie every year. I'm sure the master plumbers use some pretty sophisticated software to plan out the plumbing in a house.

Heck, just a simple job needs planning, billing, and more. All of which use computer systems.

Even just knowing logic and high end math is showing that you're not just a knucklehead looking to do the bare minimum.

Every bit of experience you had in a previous role can be used in the current one. Just spend a few minutes thinking of how it would work and use that in any interviews you get.

Just remember, even though most of these folks didn't go to university, doesn't mean they're any dumber than you are. If they're doing high quality work, they're probably just as smart, or smarter.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 3 points 12 hours ago

A lot of community colleges either double as trade schools or have active relationships with local trade schools.

Another option is to talk to your local employment office. They usually have more programs than just unemployment insurance. Depending on your financial circumstances and your location, you might even be able to have the government pay for your training program/certification. At the very least, they'll have useful points of contact and information about training for various jobs.

[–] discocactus@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

You need to find someone who is a) cool and not a bad teacher and b) a good plumber and c) willing to take you on to teach you and d) work your butt off till you're useful.

[–] DieFledermaus@feddit.org 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I suppose my question is more how do I do A B and C? is it all just knowing someone?

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

yup. the trades are some of the most nepotistic fields there are.

[–] WappleFF27@feddit.online 1 points 11 hours ago

*Unless you're in the south.

Everyone and their Dad is in trades of one kind or another, and they hire their kids.