To be clear, ThirdConsul is lying. China is socialist, and both the CPC and prolewiki agree about that. ThirdConsul is pretending socialism means the absence entirely of private property.

[–] 1Malayali@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

ThirdConsul is pretending socialism means the absence entirely of private property.

That is actually the aim of Communism, not Socialism, right? For that, there would be a transitionary phase, phase of socialism as an in-between stage, right?

I am not too well-versed on various lines of theory, but from observation, I think some non-Leninist Marxists do not subscribe to a multi phase development plan.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 hours ago

Socialism is a stage in historical development, one Marx referred to as "lower-stage communism." Communism too is a stage in historical development. It isn't necessarily that socialism lacks the aim to collectivize all production and distribution, it's that socialism is that very gradual process of developing into a highly industrial society in all respects at which point this becomes feasible. Communism is the distinct mode of production and distribution where socialism has played its transitional role to completion.

As for the idea that we can skip socialism and go straight to communism, some fringe western Marxists believe this, but this is largely an anarchist conception as it runs counter to Marx.