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is K2 horizons historically significant as the first actual open-source LLM, or am I falling for hype? (lemmy.zip)
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i have been following Chinese models for about two years now because they are open-weight and qwen is fun to run on my kubernetes cluster, the news about this Apache licensed model complete with a recipe to make it again with potentially different ingredients is making we want to abandon them for something more ideologically sound and way more interesting

this new model, couldn't universities rebuild it with different contexts and study it in ways you can't reproduce in other models? like, is k2 horizons a good scientific foundation on which to study machine learning?

or am i just lacking way too much context and falling for hype?

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[–] joseki@lemmy.zip 11 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

K2 wasn't the first.

China had CPM-1 in 2020 that was a 2.6B model.

GPT-Neo (Mar 2021) EleutherAI replicates early GPT

PanGu-α (Apr 2021) Huawei's 200B model

WuDao 2.0 (May 2021) BAAI's massive 1.75T sparse MoE model

GPT-J (Jun 2021) EleutherAI release 6B

Meta released OPT in 2022, BLOOM was in 2022, GLM 130B by Tsinghua/Zhipu was in 2022 etc

K2 horizon is very recent, nowhere near the first. Different labs have different computational innovations worth studying. DeepSeek is crazy efficient and doing very novel things. Mistral in France is making very compact local friendly models that are fun and easy to fine tune and merge on consumer hardware.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Just to add a reference time frame: late 2022 was when ChatGPT got released. I think all these models predate the general population even being aware of AI.

[–] joseki@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 hours ago

Right and the predecessor to ChatGPT was trained on links from reddit posts pretty wild. I remember having fun making it come up with nonsense prose on my GPU