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A linear scale and even the 2d "compass" is only useful for the most basic introduction to political parties but sometimes ya gotta meet people where they are at ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ

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[โ€“] Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

never said you were screaming, i was suggesting that as the alternative form of communication people choose outside of scientifically figuring out how to communicate across different systems.

i agree that associating the left as specifically authoritarian is bad and wrong, and i heavily disagree with that interpretation of animal farm. again, the ending of the book is that they became capitalists, not leftists. but i do think authoritarianism is bad, and associating it with the left is bad, even when leftists (tankies) do it.

and the atheism/feminism war was online and general media. it bled into a bunch of things like 'gamergate,' but the SJW framing was really big in the media, amongst other things. there were a lot of groups that were organizing against groups like the heritage foundation, which got discouraged or derailed by the culture war crap. lots of weird stuff, but just one of the more recent examples. you can use similar tools for other recent things like the anti-hasan campaigns painting him as a dog-abusing terrorism lover, or media campaigns against BLM/ANTIFA a while back.

anywhere you try to find progressive efforts, you see weird shit on fire for no reasonable reason, other than progressive groups still haven't found a way to successfully communicate and cooperate, and probably a lot of intentional fire-starting from the assholes with money that the groups are generally aligned against, such as the heritage foundation, or their global counterparts.

also just a note, when i talk about 'heterarchical systems' i'm basically talking about anarchism.

we need to grow a whole new culture out of the corpse of a political system most of us or currently trapped inside of.

and you're lucky if you've found the one anarchist/progressive space that works for you, but try to grow that effort into one that can affect the existing systems, and you'll suddenly find your group is either a terrorist organization, or that the group hates women, and now you have to prove to a bunch of angry public reaction to any association with that woman hating group. it is constant for anyone actually being noticed as a danger to the status quo.

i'm usually trying to talk about anarchistic efforts that affect more than one small community, as individualized and isolated communities aren't gonna do much the moment the big imperial body notices the potential for actual social change happening.

thank you though for an honest response to my words. posting in online spaces has only gotten more stifling over the years. just wish local efforts could connect to larger efforts, since we need multiple groups cooperating in solidarity, not isolated individualism.

and you're lucky if you've found the one anarchist/progressive space that works for you, but try to grow that effort into one that can affect the existing systems, and you'll suddenly find your group is either a terrorist organization, or that the group hates women, and now you have to prove to a bunch of angry public reaction to any association with that woman hating group. it is constant for anyone actually being noticed as a danger to the status quo.

Here's the thing. It's not one space. And it's not all explicitly labeled as political or leftist. I'm rural, and there is a lot of mutual aid and community efforts that certainly fit with my ideals even if the people doing it wouldn't consider themselves left wing.

I also don't waste time arguing with the public. I'm not trying to convince people to believe in what I believe. I'm interested in building systems where we can support each other outside of the formal economy and police state. I don't think it makes sense to expand these projects to huge geographical areas. Needs are different in different places. We can learn from each other and adopt things that are useful, but it shouldn't be one org.

There is an anarchist collective in a nearby city who's only public activity is boosting the efforts of various progressive initiatives. Hopefully that gives you some idea of how little interest there is putting one label on someting.

i'm usually trying to talk about anarchistic efforts that affect more than one small community, as individualized and isolated communities aren't gonna do much the moment the big imperial body notices the potential for actual social change happening.

They build community security to reduce deoendance on the state, which free people to resist in meaningful ways.