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[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 86 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (6 children)

All the messaging about fast charging speed is focused on the wrong thing. EV drivers should be able to do the vast majority of their charging at home or at their destination. The messaging should be about getting chargers in more homes, apartment complexes and workplaces. Speed doesn't matter as much if you're going to be parked for half the day or overnight. That's something that gas simply can't do.

Fast charging stations should only be necessary for road trips, where you should be taking a break every so often anyways.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 34 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The fact that so many people don't think about this or are unaware shows how well the propaganda worked.

Here is a car that is by far the easiest car you'll ever own, the power to run it is the cheapest you'll ever see, and 99% of your trips will be within one charge/tank meaning you'll never need to worry about range ever - but the propaganda convinced them all that that's a deal breaker.

As an EV owner the road trips we take are the vast minority of driving anymore. When we do there are options.

  • plan out your route and stops. Requires maybe 15 minutes of planning before your trip. You pick a place with food nearby, get out for 30 minutes, stretch, eat your meal, and you are good until the next meal.
  • if you are one of the 80% of households with 2 cars, take the other car for that roadtrip.
  • get a rental car for your trip. (Remembering that a couple hundred for a rental car is vastly cheaper than paying for gas for 10+ years)
[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

the vast majority of their charging at home or at their destination.

Absolutely true, which is also why I found it extremely annoying when reviewers began claiming that range wasn't as important as fast charging speeds in daily use. Luckily most have stopped that shit, probably realizing there's a reason most people want good range, and this is one of them. Also charging at home/destination cost way less than using a fast charger, and it's better for battery life too.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (2 children)

Speed doesn’t matter as much if you’re going to be parked for half the day or overnight.

The apartment complex and workplace chargers I've seen all limit how long you're allowed to leave your car parked at them. I suppose speed doesn't matter in the sense that having to move your car 20 minutes later isn't much less annoying than having to move it 4 hours later. Still, I wouldn't want an EV without my own garage even if I never went on road trips. It seems like a pain.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Considering how inexpensive it is to put in a 30A, 50A, or 60A circuit, and how modern L2 chargers can both downrate dynamically and be activated with simple apps or cards, this is not a difficult problem to solve.

[–] Pyro@pawb.social 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Then you have where my apt had another company put in and manage the charges but they charge 15 cents more a kw then the fast charger around the corner.

I don't mind sitting every so often in the morning drinking some tea while charging but it would be nice if it's faster

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Ugh, greedy landlords.

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

That’s a matter of location I guess. Here you sometimes have to pay a small extra fee to keep it there the whole day. But that may be also because there are plenty of public chargers around

[–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 2 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Yeah EVs seem almost non-viable if you live in an apartment complex right now, which is a shame. At least where I am

[–] Mantzy81@aussie.zone 1 points 40 minutes ago (1 children)

You can literally have just a simple wall plug and charge a car. It doesn't need to be a fitted wall-mounted charging box. Yes, it is much slower and takes 24+ hours to charge the car completely but most people don't actually use much of their battery per day anyway so if you plug in every night when you get home, you're not going to have a problem for the majority of the time. And those are a very cheap socket run that an apartment's body corporate could/should install.

[–] FrChazzz@lemmus.org 1 points 13 minutes ago

I have been an EV owner since 2018 and I have never had a “level 2” charger installed. I’ve been fine with just plugging into the wall. Now, granted, my cars have been 80-125 mile range vehicles. But it’s been fine.

[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 1 points 49 minutes ago

Most EVs charge at home doesn’t mean it’s not cheaper than fossil fuel even using the charger down the road. As for convenience, using a public charger is like pouring fuel in at the petrol station.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

This, and the cheapest charging option will always be at home.

If you can't charge at home, an EV is not worth the additional cost vs a combustion or hybrid.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 3 points 1 hour ago

Ignoring the better driving comfort of an ev, which is valuable on its own, it's still much cheaper to charge on the go, than buying gas.

[–] 0tan0d@lemmy.world 2 points 51 minutes ago (1 children)

that's not always true, its free at my workplace I just need to unplug every two hours. They do that so people don't sit on the chargers all day. I know people without home charging, for them its 6kw charging at work, public parking and a visit to a fast charger when needed. They say its still cheaper than gas.

[–] W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 35 minutes ago

That’s basically me.

No home charger because no off street parking and fuck NJ.

[–] SpeedRunner@europe.pub 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

That is an idealistic way to look at it. In practice, charging anytime a car is parked is expensive:

  1. Utility companies will often charge a premium on electricity spent during business hours. This alone makes it uneconomical to charge the car by day (eg while you're at work).

  2. Charging on public infrastructure will often include a "convenience premium" - electricity will be more expensive than charging at home.

  3. A lot of the time charging will be limited by time, thus requiring you to go out of the office and move your car in the middle of work. Not possible for everyone.

  4. My experience is that "energy providers" discovered subscriptions. And charging "out of network" is mor expensive - especially important when traveling.

Reality is that with an EV the only economical approach *today * is:

  • to charge it at home, at night
  • hopefully produce your own electricity, if you can (photovoltaic + battery)
  • use quick charge stations for longer drives

If you can't charge it at home (eg you live in a flat or an apartment complex), you're basically effed.

[–] W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 32 minutes ago* (last edited 31 minutes ago)
  1. Depends on your utility plan and if it’s time based or not. The chargers at work are the same price from 7:00 to 22:00.
  2. Yes
  3. Depends on the office. Plenty of office parks don’t require you to move.
  4. I’ve avoided (as best I can) the “energy providers” that charge and extra fee just to charge. Obligatory fuck ChargePoint.

I can’t charge at home (fuck you NJ) but still have two EVs that I take to the single public charger (limited to 2 hours) nearby because fuck gas powered cars.

Maybe next time don’t make sweeping generalizations about things you personally haven’t experienced.