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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

On the one hand, Western Marxists and Marxist-Leninists are not the same, but on the other hand, both of them—and even anarchists sometimes—get called tankie by liberals anyway.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (3 children)

"Western Marxists" like Sartre or Parenti?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 8 points 47 minutes ago
[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 6 points 43 minutes ago (3 children)

no, more like chomsky. it's not nationality that matter but who you're aligned with.

[–] Ariselas@piefed.ca 1 points 5 minutes ago

Chomsky's Epstein ties kinda lead me to dismiss anything he has ever wrote.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 37 minutes ago (1 children)

Who would consider Chomsky a Marxist? 😭💀

[–] deathmetaldawgy@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 minutes ago
[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 2 points 45 minutes ago* (last edited 35 minutes ago) (1 children)

Parenti sure but Sartre wasn't a Marxist-Leninist he was a 'libertarian marxist' and not in the Rossa Luxemburg Council Communism, or Anarcho-Communism's use of that term, he's extremely heterodox given a favourable view on his attempts to critique classic Marxism with his own phenomenology, and anti-marxist giving a less favourable reading

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 36 minutes ago* (last edited 22 minutes ago) (2 children)

Marxism-Leninism strongly rejects classic/orthodox Marxism, no?

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 2 points 21 minutes ago (1 children)

It's subjective view, personally I would call Marxism-Leninism an extension of Marx's Marxism rather than a rejection, their main difference being that Marx predicted that Socialist revolution would begin at the in the most advanced capitalist nations(such as Britain and France and the time both were writing) Leninism emphasizes the particular role imperialism plays alongside global capitalism, and thus that revolution may begin in a society such as the Tsarist Russia Empire which while capitalist in many respects still retained many feudal characteristics, which according to your own views on the socialist character of the October revolution, August Revolution etc has been proven correct

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 13 minutes ago

yes, you can individually choose to redefine widely agreed/used on terms when talking about the history of Marxism. It just makes conversation with others so much harder, as with all subjective definitions

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 2 points 25 minutes ago (1 children)

no, marxism leninism is considered the "orthodox" reading by many. the orthodox being not abandoning class struggle as the main moving force of history. which is essentially what eurocomunnism introduced in the west. rejection of class struggle. introduction of communist parties into electoralism. abandoning armed struggle. supporting liberal policies and the liberalization of the party.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 22 minutes ago* (last edited 22 minutes ago)

It seems you do not know the history of Marxism very well or we are using differing definitions.

The Mensheviks were largely orthodox Marxists e.g.