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[–] veggay@kbin.earth 45 points 2 days ago (13 children)

They're just one more way to control women.

There could be a whole dissertation written about this and I'm not gonna go there in a Lemmy Shitpost comment section. But I will say: "Women choose to wear them" - yes, and society has forced us in many ways by making it part of uniforms and being drilled into us since we're little kids that we need to conform if we want to succeed. I say 'we' because I'm a woman but I have never worn shoes like that and I never will, it has caused me issues to reject such standards. I'm lucky I chose a career where I've always been allowed to wear pants and sneakers instead of skirts and heels. When I was in primary school I would constantly get kicked out of class and sent to the principal's office because I chose to wear the uniform's winter pants during summer instead of skirts, couldn't wear the boy's shorts. Because me following the rules but refusing to wear a skirt was more important than me getting an education. "What will you do when you get a job?", "nobody will want to hire you with that attitude"... Men don't realize how much women's bodies are controlled from the moment we're born. It's gotten better in the last years but shit like that still happens more than yall realize.

[–] TheSecondVariety@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

I didn't realize how bad some of these issues were until I was talking to a woman I work with. She was sort of half considering going back to an old career (white collar, not public facing) instead of our workplace (very much blue collar/male dominated) but she mentioned that she doesn't want to have to start wearing makeup again. I was a bit confused because I didn't think that makeup would really be seen as a requirement there. She said it wasn't a requirement but there was a lot of pressure to do it.

Daily makeup looks almost as bad as occasionally wearing heels to me, but I do neither so IDK.

[–] veggay@kbin.earth 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

yeah... "a lot of pressure" translates to "you don't get hired" if it's clear you'll refuse or make a fuss about it or "they make your job painful every day" if you're already hired and refuse. It depends on the industry and company but it's pretty standard in most customer facing jobs. It was much worse 20 years ago than it is today

[–] TheSecondVariety@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ya, I kind of gathered that from the way it was described but this wasn't even remotely customer facing. Not that it makes it ok in customer facing jobs either but it blew my mind.

[–] veggay@kbin.earth 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ooof then yeah, she's being pressured into being eye candy for the managers, disgusting

And yep, the only people that care about such things are the wrong people. I had a lawyer show up to an online meeting with me with like a white t-shirt or something super casual like that, he apologized, I couldn't have cared less because either way he's super polite and I'm there to get his knowledge and not have him look good for me.

[–] TheSecondVariety@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

ooof then yeah, she's being pressured into being eye candy for the managers, disgusting

Without saying too much... no.

[–] veggay@kbin.earth 1 points 4 hours ago

I see. If it's women that are her managers pressuring her into doing it then it's just internalized misogyny, she's not being pressured to be eye candy but those women pressuring her into it were on their time and never did the internal work to understand what was happening and why such regulations are backwards and pointless for actual professionalism. In any case I don't know your friend's situation, I'm just talking about the most common and prevalent situations. I was pressured by women to dress certain ways too, "you won't find a husband/job if you sit like that or don't wear make up or don't wear dresses", "heels would look so good on you!" (I'm quite short), "that's not very feminine of you", blah blah, it's just things that they were drilled into believing until they stopped questioning them and then they repeat it to the next generation / their peers.

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