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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)
  1. Because ever since Kissinger the national security advisor has been the conduit between the president and intelligence agencies. And Bolton was in that position when the FBI opened the safe at Epstein's place. The one filled with video and electronic files that somehow "disappeared".

  2. If I said a rectangle was a square, would you say that's only possible if every rectangle was a square?

  3. Reality...

Now, one question for you:

  1. What about America in 2025 makes you write off every conspiracy as fake? You know there are real life co spiracies every fucking day? Are you expecting people to just give trump the benefit of the fucking doubt that he wouldn't pull a conspiracy? It hasn't even been five years since he fucking cnspired to overthrow the USA government resulting in a real life insurrection. But this is too out of pocket for you? You can't imagine Trump's administration would do that?

Come the fuck on...

If you don't understand still, nothing else I ever say will help you. Best of luck.

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because ever since Kissinger the national security advisor has been the conduit between the president and intelligence agencies. And Bolton was in that position when the FBI opened the safe at Epstein’s place.

The "conduit"? Correct me if I'm wrong but the National Security Advisor isn't out kicking in doors when the FBI go on raids. The FBI is not an intelligence agency (it has an intelligence branch) and being the "conduit" doesn't mean he has the ability, inclination, foresight or skullduggery to gather such "insurance policies."

If I said a rectangle was a square, would you say that’s only possible if every rectangle was a square?

If you said that on a specific day the sun rose because you had prayed really hard for it to pray the previous day, I would be asking you what about all the other days when it rose without your apparent intervention.

Reality…

Not good enough.

What about America in 2025 makes you write off every conspiracy as fake?

I'm calling out your conspiracy theory thinking. Target John Bolton with an FBI investigation is a conspiracy, is a fascist abuse of power and is not, in any way, giving Trump "the benefit of the doubt." But it's not conspiracy theory thinking, because there's no super secret bullshit that only a select few are smart enough to work out - it's the regular kind of secret stuff that we can infer based on facts and evidence.

To believe your story I have to believe that there's a high chance John Bolton has "the Epstein list" and has kept it as insurance. You have given me no reason to believe this except that Bolton was head of - not the FBI, not the DoJ, but the National Security Council. So what? On the basis of such weak evidence you'd be saying that thousands of government officials have Epstein related "insurance".

You're not, though, because you're not actually basing this on any thought process which takes evidence into account.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Bro. What do you gain when you investigate? Intelligence, you're being obtuse.

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Why are you joining this comment thread to do something other than offer an actual reason to believe that Bolton has an Epstein-based insurance policy, when this investigation is adequately explained the same way all of Trump's other retaliatory abuses of power are explained?

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Clearly because you're being obtuse and I wanted to alert you to that fact things like saying the FBI a department under the usint isn't an intelligence agency.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Intelligence_Branch

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Intelligence_Community

Your local sheriff thanks to fusion is part of the intelligence community, ie. You're being obtuse.

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 1 points 10 minutes ago

If OP is saying that the likelihood of John Bolton having snagged a copy of the Epstein files in 2019 and used them as an insurance policy against them one day being released in modified form is in the same region as that of some random sheriff, then there'd be less contention.

It's not obtuse to point out the distance between John Bolton and a particular FBI raid. Indeed, it's being obtuse to say how they're linked in some game of six degrees of Richard Bacon when the point is that the mere fact of their being in slightly overlapping circles doesn't in the slightest way imply that Bolton both was able to and actually did make copies of evidence.