Still not an excuse. They were on the ballot, and all we’re doing is kicking the can down the road. The race was way too tight already, next election is going to be rough and the only people we’ll have to defend us are the fucking Liberals.

Vote for the party platform that most closely aligns with your values or don’t show up at all. A vote cast against yourself weakens your representation and strengthens those who don’t give a shit about you after they’ve ripped off your vote.

[+] Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

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[–] Soup@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That’s the same lame excuse every single election. I remember in 2019 when the only ads I ever saw from the Liberals were about how we had to unite against the Conservatives and I remember last week when the same shit was going on in the Montréal municipal elections. It happens all the time and the excuse isn’t worth dirt.

I’m sick and fucking tired of it. If you can’t use your vote responsibly don’t cast it. I would like people to use their power to vote and we know that anyone who says they’re “strategically” voting is well aware of the poison they’re putting in the system and that they know whonthey would otherwise vote for. If they actually deserved to use the word “strategy” they’d know that some things take time and letting another party steal your vote is just reactionary panic and has nothing to do with anything intelligent.

Your vote is your only real voice. If you aren’t going to say what you mean and mean what you say then shut the hell up.

[+] Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

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[–] Soup@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

PP was not going to let the US annex us as much as he probably cums all over himself thinking about it. Hell even right now his polling is dogshit and if he tried to actually make Canada a 51st state he’d get crucified(if he didn’t then we’d fucking deserve it anyway).

The NDP is only not an option because we say and act like it isn’t. They run plenty of candidates and a vote cast for them is worth the same as a vote cast for anyone else. The Liberal voters could have just as easily “strategically” voted for the NDP but nooo we always have to vote Liberal as the default. That’s fucking stupid as hell and you can’t ignore that fact and expect me to just go “oh right I forgot that this only works in one direction!”

There is nothing strategic about strategic voting. It is only done when the centrists threaten the left, and it only works in one direction. It’s an obvious trap that we fall for every time because no one actually thinks before they do anything. We could change our behaviour so easily.

Did you know that in the election before last, even with all the shit messaging from the Liberals, the NDP got more than half their votes? They HAVE support even if our system meant that the seats weren’t there. Someone admitting that they didn’t look at the numbers with any depth isn’t a gotcha.

[+] Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

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[–] Soup@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They’ve shown themselves to be effective during the Liberal’s minority government, and both the Liberals and Conservatives may be “tested” but they have failed those tests to varying degrees.

And then there’s that “charismatic leader” crap. PP was such a dweeby shit-stain that even some Conservatives, such as my dad who surprisingly voted against him, thought he was childish asshole. Trudeau was just attractive but very hollow, and Carney is so fucking bland I still can’t even see him as the PM and he feels more like an “acting PM”. Meanwhile everyone is always saying that the NDP needs to have some uber charismatic leader to deserve any votes and even though Singh was very vocal despite the party’s lack of seats that apparently didn’t count. He didn’t just bend to the Liberals and used the NDP’s power within the minority government to represent their people and to push leftist policy.

Everything you’ve said sounds fine if you don’t look into any further than that. They don’t hold up under any amount of scrutiny.

[+] Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

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[–] Soup@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So they show us that they can represent(lead) their people even when it’s diffocult and even when the most power they have is leveraging their very few seats under a minority government and that doesn’t show leadership potential to you? And the Liberals showed us over and over that the most they can be trusted with is not making things massively worse on purpose. And I’m still not forgiving them for promising voting reform to get elected and throwing it out when they learned that if people actually had a real choice they’d likely never win again.

Canadians need to grow up. We sit here absolutely terrified to the point where the Liberals can do whatever they want since no one is paying attention and no one has the slightest spine necessary to stand up against them. They could run a stale bagel against some super charismatic NDP leader and it wouldn’t matter if the voter base is just going to say “I don’t want to vote for them but I need to”. We’re trained like abused dogs to run back to our shitty owners out of fear of retribution.

Be serious.