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The capitulation of Senate Democrats in ending the government shutdown without healthcare concessions has sparked outrage. Calls for new leadership and primary challenges are growing. The fight for a Democratic Party that truly fights back continues.

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 25 points 7 months ago (2 children)

US would do well to support third party candidates while building the vanguard.

[–] ThorrJo@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 7 months ago (4 children)

The only path to effective opposition in the United States is through the destruction of the Democrat party. It can't be reformed.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It has been before. Many, many times.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Exactly. Ideological flip. Democrats and Republicans were firmly on opposite side of ideological divide before they switched.

Third party and independents used to be more prominent in congress and senate up until the early 20th century. I think mass corporate media brainwashed people to think within allowable and carefully curated discourse that they can only elect Democrats or Republicans. Hence, manufactured consent.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

And yet, how? This is a problem that's older than most of us.

I'm tired of hearing people say what needs to happen like they've just rubbed a magic lamp. The reality is that they're are still scores of people okay with this shit.

The best we can do at this stage is get a progressive to start leading them. I don't know if we'll get this, but people are finally very angry at these clowns, so maybe.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I feel like the better option would be to target the Republican party, since social inertia is gonna mean a few cycles of losing to whoever we don't destroy first. I don't wanna have to dismantle capitalism and christo-nationalism at the same time.

We replace it with a blue collar "libertarian" party that's just socialism with all the jargon replaced with country songs.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

not if any attempts to oppose them are done via the “opposing party” you need the democrats to play progressive ball before anything meaningful can be done

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago

Why do you say that?

[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago

Genuine question, how did that come about?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How would they do well to lose more seats?

[–] piefood@feddit.online 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How is it helping to have more seats?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] TVA@thebrainbin.org 9 points 7 months ago

Not when Dems always have the needed number of turncoats no matter what the situation!

Need two, don't worry, two will fall on the sword and make it (not) happen!

Need 8? 2 who are retiring and 6 who don't have a re election coming up will make it (not) happen!

Anything to stop too much progress from being made!

[–] piefood@feddit.online 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They've had enough seats to fix these problems plenty of times, but chose not to. They've had majorities twice that I can remember, and spent the entire time building out the systems that the current administration is using.

So once again I ask: How is it helping to have more seats?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Yeah well I disagree, but the alternative is to have less seats. Which we have now.

Is now good? If so, carry on.