Rapid Response 47 is another Trump white alt spewing racist shit
this post was submitted on 10 Dec 2025
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You're just describing abrahamic religions. This thread is honestly concerning. I grew up in the middle east and I hate seeing this much tolerance of Islam because I experienced the worst of it but oh no people think it's cool and trendy to allow the athan to play t times a day in little fucking Mogadishu now
Fuck any public broadcasting of religion and separate church and state
I'm not defending either religion. I said elsewhere in the thread that I think the Bible and the Quran are full of barbarism and unfit to be a moral guide for anyone. I just love to point out the hypocrisy of American Christians that deem other faiths 'weird' and 'menacing' without acknowledging their own similar flaws just because they have normalized and contextualized their religion and fail to do it for others.
I cant say that I really care about public expression, religious or otherwise, so long as it is not a nuisance (unless it is protest and that nuisance is the point). I dont know how loud the public prayer calls are or at what hours it runs, so I cant really say if it meets that level of nuisance or not. Religion isn't my jam, and I dont want it forced upon me in terms of policy and law. Theocracy is a fucking nightmare. As you said, church and state should be separate; they shouldnt even share borders. But everyone has as much right to express their religion in public as we do to critique it. That's fine by me, man.
I completely agree, and allowing athan to be broadcast is, for me, not the same as public expression. A person wearing hijab, sure. That's an individual choice and personal expression . Lobbying the town hall so you can blast prayer 5 times a day to give the neighborhood a religious 'in-group' feel is borderline exclusionary, and not my jam. I get the vibe you haven't been/lived in a Muslim country. The athan is literally nothing but a nuisance to non Muslims. It's like a 5 minute declaration/command for prayer at full volume 5 times a day.
Well that's what I was saying, IDK how much a nuisance it actually is going to be in practice here. If it is a relatively brief record of chanting at a reasonable volume in daytime hours, that's fine. Not functionally different than a busker with an amp playing music on the street in term of noise pollution. If it is uncomfortably loud for nearby residents, fully audible from a mile away or going off in the middle of the night, then that goes beyond expression and into disturbing the peace. I know the chants are loud and disruptive (by design) in many Muslim countries. I'm not sure if they are trying to do the exact same here or if they are taking it a bit easier in this case.
"Cool and trendy"?
Yes, it's popular among the youth in the USA/Canada and Europe to be very accepting of Islam as if it's as benign as any other religion. And people (westerners) respect the hijab, oppression of women, and it's socially acceptable somehow now that they can drink and have sex but not eat pork and call themselves good Muslims. If anything they bash Christianity and Judaism extra hard because that is the status quo and give some kind of social pass to Islam because they are discriminated against in Canada or something? It's pathetic to be honest with you
It is as benign as any other religion. That is to say that none of them are benign
I mean, fair enough. I'll admit I'm biased against Islam because of my experiences and upbringing but there is some weird exception progressives seem to have for Muslims
Because muslims are overly criticised and targeted specifically for their religion in the West.
Muslims shouldn't be targeted because they are Muslims.
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Religion doesn't have its place in a progressive society.
There are 2 distinct issues, but they are almost always conflated, because it makes it easy to derail the discussions and debates.
It wasn't near as loud among them until the Free Palestine movement. It was there, but FP put it more at the forefront in online circles.
Maybe in the states but in Canada and Europe its been prevalent for the last 10 years at least. Us Arabs are now the minority flavor of the week for white sympathy, and young people who don't know any better think they should suddenly tolerate our intolerance because we're disenfranchised. And that sucks because 10 years down the line some radical fuck is gonna do some extremist bullshit in "little Mogadishu" and anti-arab sentiment will become popular again, rinse and repeat