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The effort to bring federal charges has been met with resistance by some career prosecutors who argue the crime doesn’t appear to fall under any federal statutes.

Three months after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the Justice Department is weighing how to bring federal charges against the shooter, including under a novel legal theory that it was an anti-Christian hate crime, according to three people familiar with the investigation.

The suspect, Tyler Robinson, is already facing multiple state charges, including an aggravated murder count, and Utah prosecutors plan to seek the death penalty. Robinson’s partner is trans, and authorities have produced text messages from the suspect to his partner saying he was motivated to kill Kirk because he had “enough of his hatred.”

It’s not uncommon for defendants to face both state and federal charges, including for drug-related crimes and domestic terrorist attacks, among other offenses. But the effort to bring federal charges in the Kirk case has been met with resistance by some career prosecutors who have argued that the crime doesn’t appear to fall under any federal statutes, the three people said.

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[–] daannii@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Someone told me the other day that Catholics weren't Christians. I'm like.... They are the og Christians.

The person refused to believe me.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Were they Baptists? I know plenty of Protestants, most especially Baptists, that will definitely be quite vocal about their belief that Catholics are not "real" xtians.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You gotta go to the Seventh Day Adventists, imo, to get some reeeeaaallll hardcore Catholic hate, good lord do they hate Catholics.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

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OMG, I'm such a nerd about various origins of things that I fucking laughed so hard at that. You have no idea.

🤣

The thing I know the Seventh Day Adventists for is being rather chill and many/most being vegetarians. But I've only met a few. I've met so many Baptists of the Southern kind that, at least in some cases, within minutes of meeting them, will be denouncing many groups as being "pagan" (lol) such as atheists, Muslims, and especially Catholics.

I didn't realize adventists had this kind of hard-on for Catholics, but it seems the people that splinter off direct their rage at their roots, oddly enough. And of course, it's often the people that were splintered from direct their rage at the "heretics", too.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

The... only thing I think I technically agree with them on is that... the holy day should by rights be Saturday, not Sunday.

Beyond that... yeah, some of them are very pleasant, delicate people... whats his name, the guy that Hacksaw Ridge was about... basically fairly close to a real story, he was an Adventist, thus a Pacifist, refused to pick up a weapon during WW2...

Became a medic, saved I think around at least 100 soldiers lives, got a Medal of Honor.

But the flip side of this is that, as best I can tell, at least some of their Preachers/Pastors, they've been conspiracy theory crafting intricate explanations of how the Catholic Church is more or less the most heretical thing that can be, Pope is the AntiChrist, etc etc, many, many other details... been doing that for decades.

I've managed to not meet too many Southern Baptists, due to being nowhere near the South at any point in my life... but yeah, what you say about them comports with what I've heard... seen on youtube, from people covering absolute nutjob, modern fire and brimstone preachers and 'prophets'.

Dear lord that's a whole can of worms there, people and branches that make prophecies and encourage other members to... or, who claim God is directly talking to them... makes for a whole lot of dramatic nonsense real fast, such as the recent Tiktok Rapture mass psychosis event.

If we ever doubted how those old tales of things like 'dancing madness' happened, well, now we know.

Sometimes people just kind of... euphorically, collectively, snap.

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Why yes. They were.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They are the og Christians.

That'd more likely be the Copts.

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Well yeah that's fair. They were the first mainstream christians but yeah I learned the other day that the og Christians was actually ran by women. And then a king saw people were into it, appropriated it to control them through it. Got rid of all the women and made it so they couldn't be in positions of power.

I never knew it was a women driven religion. But honestly it makes sense cause women are historically invested more in charity. And that was Jesus's whole thing.

Be nice. Share what you have. Don't be greedy.

[–] Blade9732@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

I grew up with that nonsense. Many evangelical and charismatic Christians think that Catholics aren't true Christians. My "non denominational" high school encouraged students to visit other churches, as long as it wasn't Catholic, Anglican, Mormon or Jehovah's witnesses. I guess they had a direct line to God Almighty in the principles office.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Oh yeah you hear the wildest shit from protestants growing up catholic