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Proton has become a problem for privacy
Something I missed?
The biggest threat is that the CEO is pro maga (cue defenders saying "well ackshully") and thinks trump is better for his business (cue tankie both sidesers).
The other threat is that at some point proton gave an IP address or something obtained through a legal france->swiss court order allowing french ACABs to hunt and skin the most dangerous game: journalists
Edit, activist I guess https://www.itpro.com/security/privacy/360793/protonmail-criticised-sharing-activists-ip-address-law-enforcement
Okay, so about #1: Is there more to it than him setting of one single post praising Trump's business skills? I mean, that's pretty stupid, but stamping him as "Pro-MAGA" for that seems a bit far fetched still.
About #2: That's also concerning and pretty bad as it reads, but any company basically has to abide the country's laws, so if Interpol orders the Swiss police to fetch the data, no legally operating company can really do anything about it or they're gone as well. A similar thing happened to Tutanota in Germany, iirc.
about #1: you see, your point is already defeated, because he called you a "defender saying actually"
ofc, you are right, and everyone saying that Proton ceo is pro maga from that one statement has reading comprehension problems
Personally, my biggest problem with the proton CEOs actions, is that he doubled down using official proton social media. This went well beyond a "personal opinion" and made this sound like a position the company held.
Defeated, no, but I definitely don't give a shit about their opinion.
All companies have to follow legally binding orders. What matters is what they have available to share.
Yes? I mean it's still important to understand they are subject to those court orders. A lot of privacy whackadoos for some reason think the swiss don't have a legal system.
🤔 why is the privacy thing not the biggest threat? I would think that the privacy one would be more of a threat to privacy than the political stuff. Is that not the case?
I don't know how you can, with a straight face, separate "political" and "privacy" stuff. They are intrinsically linked.
The amount of hoops needed to make the IP address thing, which is just IP address, happen...massive
Sure, I can imagine the political issues could lead to privacy issues. My question was not about whether or not that's true[^1]. I was simply wondering why a possible privacy issue would rank higher than the actual issue that has already happened.
[^1]: Something more specific/objective might be helpful though. Saying he's "pro maga" is like saying he's "bad vibes"; it requires the reader to just take your word for it without knowing exactly why. But, again, my question was more about the ranking
I just don't think the IP address is a big deal. A category 5 probably outranks a definite tropical depression.