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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez holds a slight lead over Vice President JD Vance in a hypothetical 2028 presidential matchup, according to a new poll.

The New York Democratic congresswoman, known as AOC, edges the likely Republican nominee 51% to 49%, in The Argument/Verasight survey released on Tuesday. However, the result was within the poll's 2.7 percentage point margin of error, making the two candidates statistically tied. The poll asked voters who they would vote for if the election was between the two of them.

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[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (3 children)

We've proven we don't like centrist women with status quo platforms pretty convincingly. Anything more is speculative imo.

[–] ech@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And yet it's elected centrist man after centrist man. Funny, that.

[–] vega208@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago

Yes, they'd vote for a male neoliberal instead of a female neoliberal.

That doesn't mean they'd vote for a male conservative over a female progressive.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The last time there was another option on the table he became the first black president in our nation's history. Perhaps there's a lesson to be learned there.

[–] ech@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think it's a stretch to say Obama wasn't centrist, but really it's irrelevant. US voters were fine with voting in centrist men in if they were appealing enough, but once a centrist woman is put up, they'll let a self-confessed wannabe dictator into office with hardly a fight.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Obama certainly acted like a centrist but that's not how he campaigned which means that's not what won him the election.

[–] ech@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Again, irrelevant. Also, he won twice, so his initial campaign wasn't the end all be all, either.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's only irrelevant if you're intentionally ignoring facts which disagree with your conclusion

[–] ech@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Nope. It doesn't disagree with anything, it's just irrelevant. Two admittedly centrist women missed the vote to the most vile candidate possible, while countless centrist men won to slightly farther right opponents. That math is crystal clear, and Obama's first election has no bearing on that.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I guarantee you a far left woman like AOC is not going to get elected. Too many independents think she's too far left. The right can win by being extreme right. The left can't win by being extreme left. Not in this shithole.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

It'd be good if we could define things like "far left". AOC may be progressive, but not sure she's really far left anything.

She's about where the Democrats used to be and supposedly stood for at one time. Probably pre-Clinton for sure. The Republicans have been dragging the window to the right for years and years and all the money in politics sure ain't helping.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Nothing about affordable health care and not trying to actively poison the planet as much as possible is extreme left

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

That's what they said about far left black men until Obama came along running as a progressive and won handily. For some reason we didn't learn any lessons from that and went right back to boring centrist candidates afterwards.