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Tesla Robotaxis Are Crashing More Than 12 Times as Frequently as Human Drivers
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Feeling a bit smug since I was early adopter of calling "self-driving" cars a grift. Remember when it was an undeniable fact that most cars would be driving entirely by themselves by now?
I'm sure all the Tesla apologist that kept saying "it only has to be safer than a human" whenever we pointed out how poorly the Tesla self-driving system works will change their tune now.
... Right?
Some of the lidar based systems might work eventually, but Musk's "humans only have eyes, so we only need cameras" is unlikely to ever work
Waymo self driving cars are very good imo, I live near a location where they operate and drive along side them daily on my way to work and have ridden in one twice. They are way better than human drives in my area.
My campus has a self driving mini bus service though there's a real driver in the driver's seat jic.
Funny part was that tesla taxis also had a human attendant, but for the sake of appearance made them sit on the passenger side. They deliberately limited staff from being able to interact with steering and pedals.
They eventually moved those to the driver seat.
So was it worth it, if you still have to employ a mini-bus driver...?
Six months from now. Just as true today as it was ten years ago.
I've never heard that. Like, anywhere. Lol
musk:
2016 "We should be able to do 90 percent of miles driven [autonomously] within three years."
2015 "A Tesla car next year will probably be 90-percent capable of autopilot. Like, so 90 percent of your miles can be on auto. For sure highway travel."
2018 "From a technology standpoint, Tesla will have a car that can do full autonomy in about three years, maybe a bit sooner."
2018 "We're going to end up with complete autonomy, and I think we will have complete autonomy in approximately two years."
2019 "I consider autonomous driving to be a basically solved problem. ... We're less than two years away from complete autonomy. Regulators however will take at least another year; they'll want to see billions of miles of data."
there are about 20 more entries like this.
you apparently haven't paid attention to the grifter in chief https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autonomous_Tesla_vehicles_by_Elon_Musk
That's only musk though. Hardly "was undeniable fact".
the person I replied to.
Yeah me neither. I've heard claims that automation will take away jobs from drivers in the future, but not anyone actually saying "it's undeniable that by 2025 most cars will be driving entirely by themselves". And I remember when GPS was a spy-gadget daydream you imagined having when using maps. (Actual, physical maps. Not Google/Apple Maps.)
I heard it in the same vane that I heard that we would have a moon base by 2020 a mars base by 2025 and nuclear fusion in just 10 more years
To be fair, the progression estimate loading bar for fusion was stuck at "estimate... 30 years" for fucking ages.
And now there are actual reactors. Experimental, but still.
https://world-nuclear-news.org/articles/conceptual-design-completed-for-japans-fast-fusion-demo-project
Most importantly, the projections of fusion being 30 years away depended on assumptions about funding, when political considerations made it so that we basically never came anywhere close to those assumptions:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:U.S._historical_fusion_budget_vs._1976_ERDA_plan.png
Fusion was never vaporware. We had developed working weapons relying on nuclear fusion in the 1950's. Obviously using a full blown fission reaction to "ignite" the fusion reaction was never going to be practical, but the core physical principles were always known, with the need for the engineering and materials science to catch up with alternative methods of igniting and harvesting the energy from those fusion reactions.
But we never really devoted the resources to figuring it out. Only more recently has there been significant renewed interest in funding the research to make it possible, and as you note, many different projects are hitting different milestones on the frontier of that research.
I wrote a school report about iter back in middle school or high school when it was still in the design process and still occasionally check their job listings because I would love to work there and on fusion but we still don’t know if it will ever work like we hit the scientific breakeven with inertial confinement but the scaling on that is terrible and I don’t believe we hit even the scientific breakeven with magnetic confinement
Then we still need to harness the energy from that turn it into work, turn that into electricity and distribute it with enough excess to pay for the whole system which is still a lot of hurdles we need to climb