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Developers of apps that use end-to-end encryption to protect private communications could be considered hostile actors in the UK.

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[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 41 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (4 children)

I'm not disagreeing with you but what would happen back then is that they simply wouldn't stop the crime.

At some point we need to decide if giving up all semblance of personal privacy is worth stopping some of that. I vote no enthusiastically. We just have to accept that some of that crime won't be stopped and law enforcement will have to work harder.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 8 points 13 hours ago

They don't even stop significantly more crime now... They simply invent new "crimes" and jerk each other off for keeping the streets safe from that minority eating their lunch or going for a walk.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 21 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

If our countries could stop doing things that give people a reason to commit terroristic acts, Maybe that would solve some of it and we could be more secure in our papers and possessions without unlawful interference and undue search and seizures but that’s apparently none of my business

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 12 points 16 hours ago

The elite know what's coming. There isn't enough to keep economic growth going and sacrifices will have to be made, and that's not going to be the top. That means something is needed to detect and remove "problems" before they get big.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 2 points 17 hours ago

Ok but that is a separate discussion.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 15 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

This isn't a new concept by any means. The argument of crime prevention has been used since governments existed to strip rights

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 2 points 15 hours ago

Sure, and we've always compromised on the 2 as a society. But we continually trend more and more towards prevention rather than privacy and sovereignty.

[–] hayvan@piefed.world 2 points 13 hours ago

I would give up privacy only under one condition: everyone gives up all privacy. No exceptions.