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There's a couple things that are objectively true everyone needs to recognize for this discussion:
the prevalance of guns in america contributes to increased violence
a significant part of this is a cultural issue, other countries have incredibly high rates of gun ownership without these problems (these rates are still significantly lower than the US)
suicide makes up the vast majority of gun deaths, we shouldn't combine these with other gun violence because they have different root causes
I'm not sure we can say this is because of easy access to guns, I can find major cities in the US in deep red states with lower violent crime rates than similar european cities.
I can also find cities in deep red states with higher violent crime than similar european cities.
Does gun prevalence play a role? absolutely, but it's a complex issue and it's just one of many many factors.
It solves about 2/3 of it. But more seriously, banning guns wouldn't solve the gun problem either.
We have more guns than people, a significant chunk of which are completely untraceable. You can manufacture a gun at home with about ~$300 worth of equipment.
I'd bet the person you were responding to has one if you're willing to actually listen to them.
I am glad you can agree to reality as many people here cannot.
Crime rates belay the reality that most crimes are not prosecuted and even fewer end in conviction. It is estimated over a million women have been threatened by firearms.
The number of abusive relationships where one partner is afraid to leave because the other partner has threatened death with a gun is enormous in the US. Guns help perpetrate a ton of suffering that has nothing to do with convicted criminals.
If you grew up in an poor urban area you would know what it is like to duck for cover when you hear loud sounds. Countless millions of people live in fear everyday in the US because of gun proliferation.
Cherry picking crime rates when the laws are not enforced at all or are not applied evenly is not really proving anything in my opinion.
Would a ton of abuse, murder, suicide, and crime not happen without guns? The answer is an astounding yes.
Lastly the person has no answer because they believe guns are the solution to crime, fascism, and whatever other random problem they want to apply it to.