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[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 45 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I'm on the fence with your comment. Society viewing men as disposable is definitely a thing, and we do end up doing more hazardous and physically demanding work on the whole. The risks are real. Some of our mortality is hardwired, with men more prone to taking risks, which also drags the average.

You are also right about society not caring, though I would argue it's the system we subscribe to.

I'm hesitant to fully jump on board with your comment because it's close to bringing the whole 'men too' crowd which often has a note of toxicity to it.

The argument shouldnt be men vs. women, but people vs. those who exploit us, or people vs. the problem

[–] Laser@feddit.org 36 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The argument shouldnt be men vs. women, but people vs. those who exploit us, or people vs. the problem

This is what I tried to hint at.

[–] catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No it's exactly what you said. Not sure why OP is on the fence.

[–] ImWaitingForRetcons@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

It’s the phrasing- it is very easy for those who don’t look deeper to think this a men vs. women thing, and the commenter is stating that while he agrees with the idea, the phrasing is very easy to misunderstand.

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The argument shouldnt be men vs. women, but people vs. those who exploit us, or people vs. the problem

But aren't you doing the first, rather than the second with your post?

[–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

You're expecting too much thought from us.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 25 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You are also right about society not caring, though I would argue it's the system we subscribe to.

How is this different in the context of healthcare for women?

I'm hesitant to fully jump on board with your comment because it's close to bringing the whole 'men too' crowd which often has a note of toxicity to it.

This is irrelevant. The point is either valid or it isn't. Neither you nor the person you're talking to are responsible for the reactions of third parties. Judge the point being made on its own merits.

The argument shouldnt be men vs. women, but people vs. those who exploit us, or people vs. the problem

In an ideal world, maybe. But the health issues in question are relevant to a person's sexual development (male vs. female) therefore it is functionally impossible to remove sex from the discussion.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago

It's not really different in the contex of womens' experiences in healthcare. What I'm alluding to here is that we all buy into this system (regardless of if we want to or not) rather than challenge it.

Irrelevant

Then their point is valid, I'm just disinclined to champion it because of shitty third party actors. I will acknowledge it's validity though.

Ideal world

I'm not trying to remove sex from this particular issue but highlight that this issue is a smaller part of a systemic problem

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 weeks ago

The argument shouldnt be men vs. women

Then make a post that doesn't specifically target men vs women

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

You are also right about society not caring, though I would argue it’s the system we subscribe to.

I subscribed to this? Could I see my signature on this contract?