See, here's where I'm lost. None of that describes policy, which is what I had assumed you were looking for. Those are just personality traits. I mean, back when he first got elected leader, that's how most people described Jagmeet Singh. He basically won on liability, mostly thanks to that one viral video, and it turned out he wasn't a particularly good leader at all.

And I'm not sure how any new leader is supposed to bring a "track record a few decades long". That just feels like a catch-22. Especially if you're looking for new blood to shake up a party that's been suffering from serious political stagnation for the past decade (or more). How are we supposed to bring in bold new leadership if we can only consider well established options?

[–] fourish@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Policy doesn’t matter at all when you don’t have leaders with integrity. Policies are “campaign promises” that mean nothing.

Elect a leader with compassion and integrity and everything else will flow from there.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But how does someone prove integrity to you? You see the bind here, right?

You're putting everything on these vague handwavey qualities like "integrity" as if you, like Anubis, can put their souls on the scale and measure their exact weight. What you're describing, ultimately, is just vibes, and voting on vibes has never gotten us anywhere good.

Policies can be lied about, sure, but integrity, compassion and humility can be faked. That's literally the essence of being a con artist. The CPC loved to talk about how Harper was a salt of the earth guy who rolled up his sleeves and drank Timmy's instead of Starbucks. It didn't mean shit. At least policies are an objective standard you can hold someone to; a yardstick to measure their integrity against. And all the integrity in the world is worthless if its being devoted to policies that will do no good.

[–] fourish@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Do you really tie yourself into knots writing this stuff? I don’t. Bye.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thinking about stuff at this level scares you, doesn't it? Actually having to interrogate your own opinions, ask yourself why you believe the things you believe, instead of just trusting your gut. It takes practice.

I'm sorry that you obviously never had the kind of upbringing or background that would give you that practice. That's exactly the kind of problem we need a real left socialist party to solve. Freeing people from the constant pressure cooker of capitalism so that we can actually flex our minds.

Genuinely, I hope that with time this stuff gets easier for you. That you can learn to look inside your own thoughts without being intimidated by the process. It starts out scary for everyone, but I promise it does get easier.

I know you'll just dismiss this as snark or elitist bullshit or whatever. I get that. It's another product of the same environment that makes these kinds of conversations so difficult for you. There's nothing I can do about that, unfortunately.

[–] fourish@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

And blocked for worthlessness. I’ll never see more of your drivel.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

While Jack Layton was a good man, he was the leader who moved the NDP from left to centrist. To be relevant again the NDP must move back to its left roots.

[–] fourish@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I actually think center is just fine. Or even center-left. To run a country full of people with different views and attitudes you need to be able to sit on the fence.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

It's pretty easy to claim integrity when never getting into power. Bob Rae had a pretty high horse but he lied over and over when in power.