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    [–] oasis@piefed.social 28 points 4 days ago (4 children)

    Considering the fact that most home users would never ever update their PCs unless forced too and then complain about a virus they got. It kinda makes sense to force people to update.

    The same applies in any professional environment. Not forcing updates to clients in a professional environment is very stupid and will land you in trouble sooner or later.

    [–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    There is a difference between scheduled update for security patches which the user agrees to on initial setup (and can modify at any time) alongside optional feature updates that are entirely... optional, and shoving feature and security updates automatically on the user regardless if active programs are running, without consent, and not granting an easy opt-out solution.

    [–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    Windows only does that if you ignore the update prompts multiple times, which means for multiple days since the default delay behavior is to ask a day later. It's literally in the settings, including options to have it install updates outside suer-set active hours.

    But don't let that get in the way of the realization that most people just ignore shit until the last second and then blame everything but themselves for it when they run out of options. And that the Internet jumps onto bandwagons faster than the speed of light just to feel like they're included in something.

    [–] oasis@piefed.social 3 points 4 days ago

    Yeah, I have never once been force updated by windows despite using it for many years. Why? Because I update my fucking computer like you should.

    [–] drspectr@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    that's completely unacceptable as restarting is not always an option. Microsoft can tell me all they want that I should restart if my current running process is gonna take a week to complete forcing the restart is completely unacceptable. Not everyone using this stuff is watching tiktok all day that can restart at a moments notice.

    [–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    Microsoft releases their patches on the same day every month. They do this specifically for planning that sort of thing. Including giving you options in the settings to pause updates for up to 5 weeks.

    And that doesn't even get into the business-oriented options available through things like WSU to give more granular and customized update options for businesses.

    If you're doing something that will take that long... Why aren't you using the solutions available? Is it because you never bothered to look? You just wanted to complain instead? Because that's what it looks like when there's a literal setting dropdown, that's not hidden at all, that would avoid your example entirely.

    [–] JTheFox@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

    From my experience, I’ve not really ran into a long running task that might get interrupted by a Windows update.

    What I have ran into however is Windows update spontaneously deciding to downgrade my Intel Arc driver and install whenever it feels like! No prompt, no input from me, just installs. The only “prompt” I get is my monitors blanking out and either it blue screens or it downgrades and I get a “you need to restart to finish installing updates” notification.

    Not only was it downgrading to a driver that didn’t even support Intel Arc Control for my Intel Arc card, it caused Blender renders, which can take hours to render, to crash, it crashes games, or just blue screens the whole system because GPU drivers shouldn’t be updated when programs are trying to use said GPU. It was insanely frustrating and was one of my final straws to just deleting the Windows drive entirely.

    This was all with updates paused, but there was no way to disable driver updates, which shouldn’t have even been handled by Windows update for my GPU. Intel has their own updater and would actually update, not downgrade.

    Granted this was also a few years ago now with Windows 10 Home. But it’s something that was so infuriating to deal with for something that should’ve been a toggle or an optional update. At least tell me when you are going to break my driver so I can close programs!

    [–] Hoimo@ani.social 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    There's one more big difference between Windows and Linux: Windows can only install updates while shutting down, for some reason. On Linux I boot the machine, see the notification for updates, and run them in the background while I do my own things. If the updates need a reboot to take effect, it's a normal reboot that takes mere seconds.

    On Windows, I get an update notification in the morning and either take 5 minutes to restart right then, or wait until I naturally shut down (end of the day) and have an abnormally long shutdown that (sometimes) leaves my laptop running and still not fully updated while it's in my bag. That isn't a security issue or a policy issue, it's a technical limitation that results in a terrible user experience.

    [–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 4 points 4 days ago

    Windows can only install updates while shutting down, for some reason.

    That information is out-dated. Hotpatching was introduced in Windows 11 24H2

    [–] oasis@piefed.social 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

    Doesn't Linux require Kernel updates quite often though? Pretty sure those require a reboot.

    Sure rebooting is annoying but you only have to do it 12 times a year so it really doesn't matter that much unless you computer runs on tape or something.

    Updating servers can by experience be more annoying though due to shitty applications that need manual intervention.
    But clients are no problem.

    P.S While not relevant to home users, windows nowadays be fully patched without rebooting for 2 out of 3 updates. You do have to pay for it with extra licenses though. I assume Linux also can be hot patched in a similar way (but maybe for free?) but normally it's not.

    [–] NutinButNet@hilariouschaos.com 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    Microsoft pushes too many bad updates for anyone to trust them to not push a bad update that bricks your system.

    In the last 12 months alone, my team has had so many bad updates we’ve had to deal with. Just this month, there is an update that breaks a Microsoft product running on VMs…and yet they push the update anyway and we have to go through the process of reverting the update and doing what we can to prevent it from reapplying again.

    Not to mention the forced restarts. I just restarted my machine less than a week ago. I get on the next day to find a bunch of stuff I was working on is now gone thanks to a silent update and reboot from the night before. No notifications saying “hey, we need to restart your device in 24 hours”. Just rudely interrupting whatever I’m doing and restarting with no regard for my choice.

    The only good change Microsoft has made is not pushing incorrect driver updates. At least, in my experience. In the early days of Windows 8 when they started forcing updates, it continually would push a driver update for my laptop’s trackpad that broke functionality. I’d have to revert that stupid update multiple times each week and ended up giving up and just using a USB mouse instead after a while.

    [–] Thunderbird4@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

    Yeah, I don’t get the “just install every update when it comes out” / “ just comply, bro” attitudes. My PC is now incapable of S3/S4 sleep without crashing thanks to a windows update a few days ago. Absolutely no way microslop gets the benefit of the doubt on anything.

    [–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 points 4 days ago

    Windows: for clueless people!