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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah you need hardware for that. They're making it so we can't get hardware and we can't self-host.

[–] sorghum@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You don't think China sees the vacuum left from the current players exiting consumer markets? The protectionism playbook that the US has run is catching up to bite us in the ass, which will be accelerated now that China has EUV.

That and I expect used enterprise hardware to continue to be sold. I have an old hotel check-in computer as my current router running OPNSense.

[–] Womble@piefed.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

China "has EUV" lithography in the same way ASML had it in 2001:

ASML built its first working prototype of EUV technology in 2001, and told Reuters it took nearly two decades and billions of euros in R&D spending before it produced its first commercially-available chips in 2019.

They are still an awful long way behind the west in this regard.

[–] oxideseven@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

China isn't pioneering the technology. They aren't operating in a vacuum. They won't have to wait 20 years to make it all work.

[–] Womble@piefed.world 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Sure, it probably wont take then as long, but its still misleading to portray "China reaches milestone a western company did a quarter of a century ago" as being equivalent to catching up.