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[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 449 points 1 week ago (8 children)

So, this means Microsoft has copies of every single bitlocker key, meaning that a bad actor could obtain them... Thereby making bitlocker less than worthless, it's an active threat.
MS really speedrunning worst possible software timeline

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 221 points 1 week ago (10 children)

They don't have a copy of every single Bitlocker key. They do have a copy of your Bitlocker key if you are dumb enough to allow it to sync with your Microsoft account, you know, "for convenience."

Don't use a Microsoft account with Windows, even if you are forced to use Windows.

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 148 points 1 week ago (2 children)

To use Windows without a Microsoft account requires tech literacy these days, I thought. I would not be suprised if users didn't choose to sync with a MS account but it's doing it anyway, if that's what MS want.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you sign in with a Microsoft account at all I don't believe there's the capability to opt out.

I only use local accounts. I have never had a Microsoft account. I never will.

[–] suicidaleggroll@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago (6 children)

You can't do that anymore, at least not with a normal Windows installation. All of the tricks of forcing it offline, clicking cancel 10 times and jumping up and down don't work anymore, they've disabled them all, the only way to install Windows 11 now (using the normal Microsoft installer) is by linking it to a Microsoft account.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Using Rufus still works. I did it as recently as a couple of days ago.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sorry, but the argument above was for a regular user, who doesn't know what Rufus is, who doesn't know the concept of OS, who simply ~~knows~~ thinks the files are saved "on the computer" (while they somehow ended up on OneDrive).

[–] deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago

... and who doesn't know that you can even install an OS to begin with!

[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

You can still create a local account by setting the PC up as a "School or Business" PC and then choosing the local account option.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is not true. There are several tools to create a bootable USB that uses a local account.

They just made it hard for Joe Schmoe to avoid it.

[–] tehmics@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago

Joe Schmoe buys new laptop with Windows preinstalled.

Joe Schmoe boots it for the first time.

Greeted by first-log-on.

Goes through steps and is immediately captured.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Just update a W10 local install. It won't even try to ask you to add a microsoft account.

[–] xordos@lonestarpiefed.duckdns.org 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I download win11 from Microsoft last week and the 1st method in the page worked (ms-cxh localonly)

https://learn.microsoft.com/sv-se/answers/questions/5581996/windows-11-local-account-on-installation

[–] suicidaleggroll@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Interesting, I haven't seen that approach before

I didn't know this either. and in normal install GUI indeed there is no way to skip MS account. So pretty good trick as this open terminal/command worked at that exact step/screen.

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[–] Feyd@programming.dev 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not even sure if you can install without an MS account if you don't use Rufus anymore. Rufus requires literacy for sure, and even if you can still do it without it is designed to make it impossible to know you can from within the installer itself.

[–] conorab@lemmy.conorab.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Main issue with Rufus is secure boot unfortunately, otherwise Rufus is easy enough that I gave a couple “click here, then here, then here and here are some screenshots” to a friend they were able to navigate it just fine. At this point I swear Rufus is easier than using the official installer provided Secure Boot is off.

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 week ago

Encryption doesn't actually complete until you log in with a Microsoft account for Home Edition.

Anyways: Use Veracrypt.

Or just Linux + LUKS

[–] lemmyout@lemmy.zip 45 points 1 week ago

It's a bit harsh and unfair to say "you are dumb enough to allow it". Microsoft makes it damn near impossible to avoid this unless you are extremely particular and savvy about it, and never have an off day where you make a mistake while using your PC.

[–] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 21 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Don't use ~~a Microsoft account with~~ Windows

Ftfy

[–] 3laws@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don't use ~~a~~ Microsoft ~~account with Windows~~

FFTFY.

Bethesda anything, Azure, Outlook, GitHub, Visual Studio, Office, Bing, XBox, LinkedIn, SharePoint (so disgusting this is a given), fuck it not even Skype (lmao what year is it?)

[–] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Still kinda hurts they own Bethesda now, but considering that company has only produced garbage since FO4 which only was kinda mid, I don't even mind skipping them.

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[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But, by default, BitLocker recovery keys are uploaded to Microsoft’s cloud, allowing the tech giant — and by extension law enforcement — to access them and use them to decrypt drives encrypted with BitLocker, as with the case reported by Forbes.

I mean it's dumb to sync but at same time it's not like MS isn't great at either making it almost impossible to not sync it re-enable syncing for a bit after updates.

You can constantly tell it not to sync but all it takes is MS saying we want it now and they'll get it

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[–] iterable@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Save a copy of your bitlocker keys to a Veracrypt drive with a password no shorter then 15 mixed characters. Then upload that encrypted container to any free service. They wont be able to open it and now you have a remote backup copy.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

I employed the super secure expedient of never exporting my keys. I have no idea what they are, I never did, and I never will.

There's really no irreplaceable data on my Windows machine. If I have to reformat it some day A) that's no big deal, and B) it's Windows, what else is new.

[–] wischi@programming.dev 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why not save a step, fuck bitlocker, and use veracrypt to encrypt your drive in the first place?

[–] Nyx0r@discuss.online 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Why not save a step and don't install Windows in the first place.

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[–] iterable@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

That is a option but it's performance is bad and you need at least fifteen mix character password every time you boot. If you game you need to use bitlocker sadly or load times dive hard. Having a second drive in full Veracrypt is fine for things like basic documents but not to game on.

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They do have a copy of your Bitlocker key if you are dumb enough to allow it to sync with your Microsoft account, you know, “for convenience.”

Which I don't believe is the only way it can leak. It's well known Microsoft can access anything and everything on an internet connected Windows PC whether there's a Microsoft account or not. If the nazi's push for the device of someone on a local account only, you know they'll magically find a way.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 5 points 1 week ago

Are you naive enough to believe the surveillance OS that uploads literally all of your activity along with screenshots of your desktop doesn't automatically upload you keys no matter what little box you tick on the installer?? 😂 there is absolutely not one single 3rd party auditing that they actually follow any of the options at all that they give.

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Why is that dumb?

I encrypt my drive to protect my data from burglars and thieves who might steal my laptop, how would they obtain the recovery key from Microsoft? O_o

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[–] bw42@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No they do not have copies of every Bitlocker key.

Bitlocker by default creates a 48-bit recovery code that can be used to unlock an encrypted drive. If you run Windows with a personal Microsoft account it offers to backup that code into your Microsoft account in case your system needs recovered. The FBI submitted a supoena to request the code for a person's encrypted drive. Microsoft provided it, as required by law.

Bitlocker does not require that key be created, and you don't have to save it to Microsoft's cloud.

This is just a case of people not knowing how things work and getting surprised when the data they save in someone else's computer is accessed using the legal processes.

[–] user28282912@piefed.social 46 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Except that Microsoft basically puts a gun to every users head to login with a Microsoft account which can/does backup the recovery keys.

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[–] greybeard@feddit.online 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you sign into a Microsoft account during setup, Microsoft automatically turns on bitlocker and sends the key off to Microsoft for safe keeping. You are right, there are other ways to handle bitlocker, but that's way beyond most people, and I don't think Microsoft even tells you this during setup. It's honestly a lifesaver for when bitlocker breaks(and it does), but it comes at a cost. In the business world, this is seen as a huge benefit, as we aren't trying to protect from the US government, mostly petty theft and maybe some corporate espionage.

As is often the case, the real solution is Linux, but that, too, is far beyond most people until manufacturers start shipping Linux machines to big box stores and even then they'd probably not enable any encryption.

I question whether we are rapidly approaching the point where Linux is simply easier to use in a safe, secure, and practical way for the average user, because it doesn't try to actively fuck you over like Microsoft does

It's easier when you don't need to jump through hoops to make a local account. It's easier when you don't need to turn off a dozen settings you might not know about regarding data collection or advertisements. It's easier when you don't have an antagonistic system that treats you like the product, not a user, not pushing you towards confusing things you don't want

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Hey copilot, give me the bitlocker key to the nuclear football!

[–] x0x7@piefed.social 13 points 1 week ago

Microsoft is already a bad actor and they have them. Or a bad actor could threaten microsoft physically and microsoft will hand them over. Wait, that already happened.

[–] Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

And people make fun of me for turning off secure boot and tpm. They just cause grief for no benefit.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

As long as you're doing your own whole disk encryption, you have a valid path to still be secure. However, if you're running an unencrypted disk, you're much more likely to lose your data to a non-state actor.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

Well this isn't directly related to those, so maybe some derision is warranted.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Both are completely unrelated to the discussion. TPM sometimes have issues regarding their security, but you can certainly use Secure Boot with your own signing keys to ensure the kernel you run is one you installed, which improves security. And you can use TPM to either keep your FDE keys, or only part of them combined with a PIN if you don't fully trust them to be secure, so you keep strong encryption but with a bit of convenience.

Without a (properly configured) Secure Boot startup, anyone could just put a malware between the actual boot and your first kernel. If the first thing that happens when you boot is something asking for a password to be able to decrypt your storage, then an attacker can just put something here, grab your password, and let you proceed while storing in a a place it can be retrieved.

Is this scenario a concern for most people? That's unlikely. But every computer sold these last five years (at least!) can be setup to reduce this risk, so why not take advantage of it.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago

So, this means Microsoft has copies of every single bitlocker key

But, by default, BitLocker recovery keys are uploaded to Microsoft’s cloud

Not everyone follows the default. So no, it doesn't mean Microsoft has copies of every single BitLocker key.

[–] Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Could be worse. Could have skeleton keys

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago

You're assuming there isn't a master pubkey baked into the software.

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