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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 6 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I use to be what's called a social liberal / fiscal conservative. In the early twenty teens my company was invited to work with what was then an unknown "chat bot" technology. It was plain to see where things were headed. Overnight I was a proponent of UBI. This is before Trump's 2016 win. My friends and colleagues looked to me like I was crazy when I told them that within 10 years they'd be out of a job. I missed the mark there since majy of them turned into AI Bros, but I was close enough.

If we do not implement a safety net, REAL SOON, this entire society is going to collapse. There just won't be enough means for people to survive. That's not hyperbole.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Don’t you worry that with everyone on UBI, demagogues like Trump can just cut you off?

That’s my biggest hangup over UBI. I think everyone should have that safety net but I’m afraid of that much centralization of power.

Idk, I'll always be skeptical about AI changing the game. It's fundamental to market economics that it adapts to new technology, no matter how disruptive. The very system that got the rich AI cultists where they are now ensures it can never deliver what they want. We probably could have a relatively post scarcity society even with pre AI technology, but scarcity is economics. There is no escaping the return to homeostasis.

Society collapsing has nothing to do with AI and everything to do with neoliberalism as an ideology; the belief that the market is the only tool and all restrictions on it are impediments to world peace. They cannot conceptualize that the squeezing of almost everyone through artificial scarcity does more to destabilize the world than governments subsidizing their own industries to gain national wealth. It was always an excuse for already fortunate men from already fortunate countries to become even more fortunate.

People don't go hungry because robots are too good for them to compete. Even if LLMs weren't a dead end for creating artificial labor, people would still go hungry because of capitalism. UBI doesn't fix the underlying problem of not even the upper middle class being secure in their safety. A few thousand people have god like dictatorial power over the direction of society, and they only choose to gain themselves more power. Until they aren't the ones making unilateral decisions, we will only see further collapse.