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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 142 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I mean, just going off the last two people who shot at trump in the last year...

There's no reason to say this wasn't MAGA yet.

It could be someone who thought Kirk wasn't going far enough because he still wanted to talk

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I am fully convinced the trump thing was a false flag operation. They specifically selected a mentally unhealthy kid who was a bad shot. Trump wasn't grazed by the bullet. The movements of his security and the press to set up that photo op paints it's own damning picture.

Charlie is just to much a fucking idiot to adhere to the same security protocols as literally every conservative event.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 32 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The reason that I just can't take that idea seriously is that, well, there at least was someone actually shooting, so if it was faked the way they would have to do it would be along the lines of "shooting at Trump, but intentionally missing". That would be a fairly dangerous move though, if your fake shooter's aim was off, there's the risk that it accidentally becomes a real assassination instead, and that level of risk feels out of character for Trump.

Further, were it staged, I'd expect it to be designed to advantage Trump as much as possible. Surely the "shooter" would be revealed to be one of the many demographics he riles people up against, or at least an outspoken democrat, and surely they would have played it up as much as possible throughout the election instead of having it done well before the final weeks and letting it get buried by the news cycle before people actually went to the polls.

He also surrounds himself with loyal but often incompetent people, and is an old man prone to saying embarrassing things. Would he really have been able to keep such a fake a secret even for this long?

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 3 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

To be fair, he surrounds himself with fascists hungry for power. Just because he probably didn't set it up doesn't mean that one of his "buddies" didn't.

Not saying it was Vance, but for the sake of argument, in shoes of that caliber it's a win win. Trump gets killed? Well lookie here, we got a martyr and a new replacement ready for the throne. Trump doesn't get killed? They get a photo shoot that sways public perception.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 3 points 18 hours ago

That's literally how Hitler kept his cronies in check. Having them all fighing for power underneath him.

Everyone assuming trump dying was a bug not a feature doesn't simply relate to the cuthroats like trump and his ilk.

[–] alcibiades@sh.itjust.works 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Idk at least for the second term of this administration, Trump being the figurehead is an integral part. Cult of personality is necessary in a fascist/dictatorial rise to power. I honestly don’t think Vance would be able to implement the same policy. However, now with the precedent being set he could

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 2 points 16 hours ago

I honestly don’t think Vance would be able to implement the same policy.

Potentially, but fascists aren't known for their competence

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

Has no one heard of squibs?

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 1 points 18 hours ago

But trump dying was a feature not a bug my dude. The fascist movement in the USA is clearly not confined to MAGA; as evidenced by the capitulation of big tech.

I'm still convinced Trump was a means to an end. The GOP's owners want him gone. He's a fucking moron and they're all just sitting waiting wishing for him to die.

Look at what Fox is doing to Charlies death. They will 100% weaponize trumps death regardless of the cause.

[–] floo@retrolemmy.com 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I don’t know… The many layers of shocking incompetence across several different law enforcement agencies? Certainly sounds like a Trump administration thing. Nothing surprising about that. Did the trump administration take huge advantage of it? Absolutely. Was the ear graze and blood faked? Probably.

But I still believe that the attempt was real.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's kind of my take. It was real, but he was fine the next day. I wouldn't put it past them to do a false flag kind of thing, but most people would cheer if he died, which the last leave of absence proved.

[–] floo@retrolemmy.com 7 points 1 day ago

Lol, so true. Just the rumor of his possible death had people cheering!

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And he conveniently carries around a fake blood packet just in case?

Wait a minute, ketchup!

[–] floo@retrolemmy.com 2 points 1 day ago

It was red, so maybe he was having a Giuliani style hair dye melting incident

[–] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Charlie is just to much a fucking idiot

*was


Anyway, IMO the main flaw in your "false flag operation" idea is that they'd want a good shot to make sure he wasn't hit by accident. Having a bad shot point a gun at him would've been a Hell of a risk.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Fair point. But trump dying was a feature not a bug my dude. The fascist movement in the USA is clearly not confined to MAGA; as evidenced by the capitulation of big tech.

I'm still convinced Trump was a means to an end. The GOP's owners want him gone. He's a fucking moron and they're all just sitting waiting wishing for him to die.

Look at what Fox is doing to Charlies death. They will 100% weaponize trumps death regardless of the cause.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

The movements of his security and the press to set up that photo op paints it’s own damning picture.

I saw the video of them dragging Kirk out to and the difference between that and how they acted after Trump was "shot" is crazy....

Like, this is what you expected out of any shooting. trump they legitimately seemed to not really give a shit.

[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I am fully convinced the trump thing was a false flag operation.

A lot of people are saying it. Smart people. I mean it looks like Trump liked the guy and is angry about the hit, and he's pretty truthful most of the time.

Look, I don't know shit about sqibs, body doubles or false flag stuff, and think it's a lone wolf sort of thing.

It's just that a lot of smart people are having all sorts of questions.

I say we all do our own research to figure out what really happened.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 1 points 18 hours ago

false flag stuff, and think it's a lone wolf sort of thing.

A lone wolf that was manipulated by the reality presented to him, fed motivation, and presented with an artificial opportunity. Just one of a short list of individuals being actively "groomed" into false flag shooters.

As far as this kirk shooting, AFAIK they still haven't found the guy? They've already arrested and released 2+ people on this.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

True but really when we look at Kirk the only not far enough he could be doing is Epstein. Otherwise he's jackboot all the way.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah there plenty of groups mad at turning point USA for not being far right enough, even calling it alt-lite