If we want the law to mean anything, and we want it used to hold people accountable, over 90% of sitting congresspeople and senators can now be prosecuted for aiding genocide, which they did in violation of domestic & international laws. That would certainly set a tone and precedent for the future.

[–] deaf_fish@midwest.social 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Slight nitpick. Though I agree with the whole "we're never better off with the Dem fascists in charge either." In the long term. In the short term there are a lot of innocent people in US concentration camps and whom have been deported. Who would strongly disagree with you.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Biden deported 250% more people than Trump’s first term, and Stephen Miller was reportedly screaming at a meeting with ICE leadership because he was pissed they were barely keeping pace with Biden’s deportation numbers.

The Democrat fascists have troves of victims, too, but the media only gives them a microphone when they’re victims of Republicans.

[–] deaf_fish@midwest.social 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Biden deported them without going to the legal process? Like I'm pro-immigration so I get it. But there's a big difference from deporting people via the legal process. Versus picking up some guy who's a US citizen who has a tattoo of his mom on his shoulder. Calling him a gang member and then sending him to some other country to a slave prison without due process.

Neither Biden or Trump are good, but it's really hard to argue that things would be just as bad today under Biden or Harris then they are under Trump. And Trump's not even done with the first year of his second term.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 points 5 minutes ago

LoL. “But he used the correct process for fascism!” You neoliberals are wild.

The Biden admin was absolutely illegally abusing immigrant detainees. You just don’t notice when it’s a Dem.

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-calls-biden-administration-shut-down-ice-detention-Facilities

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

We were better off with the Dems in charge. The difference is it's like having your feet on fire vs full emolation. But the point is it's easier to extinguish feet than it is the whole body, and causes less damage too.

And by this I mean peace was still a possible, if unlikely, resolution.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

I bet the people being actively killed and oppressed by the Dems would disagree. It sounds more like you personally felt less threatened under Dems, and you want to return to that place of privilege.

When the ICE raids began, Democrats published a public thank you letter to the agents. If you think this will get better with Dems in charge, you aren’t paying attention.

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

I meant past tense.

Future tense it's too late. I meant as in under Kamala instead of Trump.

Things would still be terrible, but they'd undeniably be less terrible. There still being suffering doesn't change that there would be less of it.

Not to mention it would slow down climate change a bit more compared to the current regime, which instead going full throttle on the gas pedal. And that's something that affects all humans.

PS: by "we" I meant the world. I've lived in Finland for many years now.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world -1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

“Undeniably.” Not at all. I deny it. The Dem administrations played a pivotal role in building ICE to this level, and Kamala absolutely devastated the immigrant community as Biden’s border czar.

You should diversify the kind of news sources you’re looking at.

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Kamala and get administration wouldn't have put an antivaxxer in charge of the FDC or climate deniers in charge of the EPA etc.

Nor would they have had straight up thugs running around like the current ICE.

The Dems (or more specifically, the DNC) have definitely enabled on purpose the Republicans. But they at least mostly followed the law and kept order.

I understand the frustration of people not understanding that the DNC Democrats are very right wing as well, and even actually collaborate with Republicans / fascists. But they're more culturally liberal oligarchs than straight up authoritarian fascists. People would still be harmed by their policies, but groups like Transexuals wouldn't have to fear they'll get killed by the government.

Equating the two completely is bad faith. They're very close - cut a neoliberal and a fascist bleeds - but they're not the same. Under Kamala, the might have been a 10% chance at a more peaceful resolution via elections (maybe 25% if Trump died, 50% if he actually went to jail) because leftists like Mamandi could have kept running and winning some power.

But under Trump, there's no more chance of that at all, PLUS it accelerates all the bad thing.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The Biden/Harris admin acknowledged climate change, and appointed the first Native American to the position of Secretary of the Interior, who then approved the Willow Project (which climate scientists declared a world ending “carbon bomb”), and approved such a record number of fossil fuel extractions that the courts struck them down for not considering the climate impact.

The Biden admin’s CDC prematurely ended Covid guidelines, and let the ceo of Delta set their post-infection isolation guidelines. Biden’s FDA were approving drugs that they knew didn’t work, because they wanted to appease their pharma lobbyists.

It’s clear you don’t give a damn about outcomes. You’re just upset at the lack of performance and decorum.

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The Biden/Harris admin acknowledged climate change, and appointed the first Native American to the position of Secretary of the Interior, who then approved the Willow Project (which climate scientists declared a world ending “carbon bomb”), and approved such a record number of fossil fuel extractions that the courts struck them down for not considering the climate impact.

Yes, he approved that. He also did all of this. In particular, I'd like to point out this part in the wiki:

"Some environmental organizations, including Sierra Club, Sunrise Movement, Earthjustice, and more, claim that President Biden took 322 actions to protect the environment—more than any other president in history."

Although I disagree that those actions are as equivalent as important as say the National Parks program for example. Either way, go ahead and show that the Trump admin has even mentioned the intention of doing anything similar. I'll wait. (You do realize this rhetoric only helps the fascists too, right? Just as much as pretending the DNC Dems are left wing).

The Biden admin’s CDC prematurely ended Covid guidelines, and let the ceo of Delta set their post-infection isolation guidelines. Biden’s FDA were approving drugs that they knew didn’t work, because they wanted to appease their pharma lobbyists.

To pretend that the Biden administration's actions were ANYTHING near as bad as Trump's is just a bad faith argument. It honestly just makes you seem like you're purposefully making the literal anti-science fascists seem not bad by pretending the two were even close, for fuck's sake. At least the dude knew basic fucking biology.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 points 7 minutes ago

Yes, we heard non-stop about how Biden was the “most whatever President ever.” It’s wild that y’all can spot obvious bullshit when it’s Trump allies claiming he’s the “most something ever,” but you eat it up for a Dem.

You’re just as gullible as the MAGA Trump supporters, so don’t go thinking yourself any better.

[–] MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 17 hours ago

Well I think Michael Borrego Fernandez was better off before the Nazis took power