It's easy to judge from like 30 minutes in public, until you have an autistic kid and no support network.
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Thank you for saying this. I used to judge parents of kids on screens until I had my own. You never know what's going on and there's a chance that the 30 minutes of quiet that family is getting from the iPad is the only peace they've had all day.
I mean there's other things besides brain rot. Also people did raise kids prior to iPads.
Yes, parenting existed before iPads. That doesn't imply that everything they used to do to cope with similar situations was correct, or better. Previous generations of parents used to do things that would terrify us now.
Or it's the only meal they've had out in a month and it coincided with a sleep regression or something.
I have friends without kids tell me how they would parent and what they don't think is "good parenting" all the time. They have no clue...
Imagine portraying Homelander judging anything as an argument for agreeing with him.
Have you considered that that self awareness might be a level to the meme you didn't recognize?
No. You didn't. Because you're the REAL Homelander! /S
Why are you approaching other people's kids and take away their ipads?
People when kids screech at a restaurant: 'Must be shitty parents.'
People when kids run around at a restaurant: 'Must be shitty parents.'
People when kids use an ipad at a restaurant: 'Must be shitty parents.'
There's no winning here. Children just aren't allowed to exist.
We are the exception because we most definitely weren't like that at all as a kid. /s
It’s when it’s A, B, then C with subway surfers on full blast for the rest of the meal then yeah the vibe sucks and I wish I wasn’t sitting near your kid.
#2 is shitty parenting. Kids running around a restaurant puts them and staff in dangerous situations with hot food and steak knives etc
I’m guessing it’s because the perception of people who don’t have kids have the thought “every time I’m in a restaurant I see kids on their parents phone/ipad so that must be what they do 24/7”, and I’m totally guilty of that too. Once I had a kid, I think me and my partner had a pretty good no screen time rule but when we wanted to go out to eat at a restaurant that rule was relaxed not just for us but for everyone else as well.
Don't judge the kid, judge the parents. Parents who should not be parents prefer to make their kids less of a burden to them by handing them over to the overstimulation square
100% My kids have tablets. The only time they get them is on road trips and plane rides. Some parents we know bring them to restaurants, family gatherings, you name it. It's fucking annoying. Make your kid socialize or they're going to grow up weird AF.
When I was a kid, we'd get together with family and do our thing. Then we'd all eat a meal, and usually after the meal it was all right, everyone go do whatever you want, and the kids would usually go down the basement and play toys or video games, and adults sit around digesting, having some drinks, etc.
Fast forward to now, I'll bring my kids tablets or whatever, and when the party is entering the food coma stage, I say do whatever you want, you've spent the last couple hours talking to people, or just existing around people who are 30-60 years older than you.
I feel like it always comes to this, but everything in moderation. I played a lot of Nintendo as a kid, and I grew up well adjusted (enough), and I don't doubt my kids can do the same. For me, the whole tablet thing just stretches out the amount of time I get to hang. Kids get antsy. Shit, I get antsy and I'm an adult, but if letting them do whatever for 30-60m at the end of a party let's me unwind with my family and friends, it's fine.
The annoying part is when the kids roll into the party iPad already blasting.
App suggestions make it so hard to keep kids away from slop. I started out only letting my toddler watch PBS Kids programs and a few other educational programs, but then your kids start seeing suggestions for all sorts of shlock, and they want to see the show with the superhero kitties is (it's called Super Kitties and it is garbage). God help you if you try to watch something on YouTube; every suggested video is either low-quality home movies of people playing with toys (which is like crack to toddlers or weird shit like this that absolutely shouldn't be on YouTube Kids but often is anyway.
Set YouTube kid to only show selected channels. My kid is actually bored of youtube now.
Holy shit, I did not know you could do that. That is going to be life changing.
Somewhere right now there is a iPad kid watching skibidi toilet that will one day be president.
Somewhere right now there is a President watching skibidi toilet that will one day be dead.
Good god this hits home
Months ago I was visited by a relative who brought their eight year old. She's single and her boy is ever so slightly mentally not there. He's smart enough but just not there with everything. Plus the mother is not capable of looking after him. So many wrong things and I hate to judge anything about it .... both mother and son are having and will continue to have a hard life.
As we talked, the son spent the entire time with their device looking at YouTube videos.
At one point I wanted to try to make friends and asked him what he was watching .... he mumbled and ignored me. I looked over at his video and it was just a completely nonsensical animation of characters running around like in a video game ... I couldn't understand what was happening or why, the cartoon animals were just mumbling nonsense, laughing, running and flashing lights and constant cuts to new scene after new scene. I looked at the kid and he was two steps away from just drooling.
I couldn't believe it and it scared me. This device was melting any amount of brain power the kid had.
It made me think about myself and what the hell I was doing with my time.
It made me think that the world is all doing the same thing to one degree or another. Some are better, since are terribly worse.
It made me think that humanity is doomed.
Mechanisms of manipulation and control are getting more and more sophisticated and it's really fucking sad.
Its like watching someone overdose. It sucks. And we don't have language about it, even shitty language, like we do for drugs, so it's hard to even talk to people about.
And their parents allow them to blast the sound in public with no headphones. I can't fathom the lack of give-a-fucks for their fellow humans (to include their own children).
Yes that's kind of a pet peeve of mine. I understand that sleep deprived parents sometimes need to put their kids in front of their phones. But in recent years I have noticed that they just blast the sound really loud and don't care about any other human being. I'm really shy but after almost freaking out on a train ride because of two different kids just watching something full volume I have asked parents to tone it down. They were even kind of embarrassed and nice about it. I have no idea how you can be so disconnected to your surrounding... The worst were grandparents with a 2 year old kid during a kids theater and they just let the kid watch a show with the volume up. I mean what about all the other kids who are performing and you sit in the middle with a phone just blasting full volume. They wanted to stop him and then he started throwing a tantrum. They just laughed and were like oh he's so cute and we can't do anything about it. Fuck that's not cute, if you want to watch a tv show with volume, just sit outside of theater with your little brat!
I'm not having kids, but this always feels like such a missed opportunity to let kids do something more mentally stimulating on that tablet.
Drawing apps and eBooks are right there! Hell, set up Termux and Acode up for them and let them program a bit (or like, I bet there's a mobile version of Scratch they could use if they can't read yet). Let them take photos and make little collages. Get them some music Synthesizer App so that they can tinker on their own little beats. Literally just show them that they have the tools to make something great instead of just shoveling in mindless content all day..
I am the donor for a lesbian couple. I'm pretty involved in my son's life. I took him for his third haircut. Midway through, he was bored, and shooting me one of the angriest looks I've ever gotten from him. I took a pic and sent it to his mom.
"Oh god look how mad he is, give him your phone!"
What? He's being quiet and learning how to be patient while a haircut happens. Some parents think reality is a BAD substitute for devices, it seems.
At least one night a week, he comes to my house and plays without any screens. We talk and explore the world.
Totally agree!
I see the problem more in the parents. First, that these kids can use the iPad so much and second, that they can just consume on it. Like you said: Create, build and explore. Use the iPad, not get used by the iPad.
You watch skibidi toilet on a corporate-controlled spyware machine known as the "iPad"
I read the anarchist cookbook on my RISC-V PineTab
We are not the same.
This look is solely directed at the parents.
Not really, it's a kid, it should know that by using the Ipad it is destroying it's capability to pay attention in the future, not to mention using an Ipad, a product built in a Chinese factory with suicide nets, really the kid should feel ashamed for supporting such a business practice.
Yeah, time to start canceling toddlers!
Sometimes that iPad is there for you not the kids, try raising an autistic kid with unlimited energy, when you get them in a restaurant or bus, if the iPad is gonna keep him quiet and occupied, that means you don’t have to hear him complain. Kids aren’t robots, they’re people, and some have special needs and get overwhelmed in the fucked up world we made. If super kitties is gonna keep him relaxed for a bit so be it.
Most often the iPad is not for the kids but for inattentive Parents that just want to doomscroll in peace and not deal with their offspring.
I used to think exactly that and judge that heavily, but after my sister became a mother, we talked about this and she said essentially, that you don't know them, you don't know the day they've had and what they have done all day and what happened before. And that having a child is so hard that sometimes you just need to do things that are maybe not optimal, like giving them coke or letting them be on an iPad in public to avoid another hour of screaming, but that doesn't mean they are not doing super much before. Because everybody has a breaking point and you cannot be perfect, but you don't know the arguments or deals or time spent earlier, and sometimes it's necessary to also keep care of yourself and relax a bit when you're done.
You're on lemmy. Such hypocrisy.
I've recently gotten a hold of an older ipad. I've been installing apps and stuff on it and playing with all the things.
And godDAMN that os has problems. I'm back on my android phone and it's so much smaller, but Jesus Christ having a back button and responsive apps and ui and os feels like coming home.
Android isn't without its problems though. The apps are all definitely aimed at a poorer/cheaper demographic, the audio drivers suck big fat rectum, and the hamburger-scrolly-floating-button design philosophy is straight up garbage.
But there are so many missing QOL and presumably standard features on Android. On iOS, I get so lost in the loose ux standards that often end up bewildering me. I used procreate for like 8 hours today, and by the end, I had memorized a ton of really really bad designs. They work, and within the app, they're.................... Mostly consistent. But I have this deep down rage for whoever made some of these decisions.
It's entertaining, at the bare minimum, to see UX and UI slowly develop over the years, and neither OS (or Samsung's OneUI) are perfect. It's fascinating to see what the other camp is doing.
But yeah... Kids crying over having their ipad taken away? Shame.
Get them something better.
Like a desktop computer.
Me when a friend of mine who's an engineer who sometimes works for the CERN unironically watches Mr. Beast and listens to Papa-a-pate (?, this nonsense k-pop song, it was popular some months ago...).
Like, yeah, you have the hardware, why fill your brain with malware! ;-;
Malware for the brain. Best description of brainrot I’ve heard yet.
E: any social media “challenges” pretty much fall under this umbrella as well.
Meh, back in the days we'd watch youtubepoop videos and whatnot. Nonsense you like os funny, nonsense you don't is brainrot.
Quantity is an important factor. A half hour a day of brainrot isn’t a big problem, constant brainrot during all your free time is going to impact your concentration abilities, your mental image of the world, your ability to build meaningful logical connections and so many other mental development elements.