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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 180 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It says it will finish the code, it doesn't say the code will work.

[–] Thorry@feddit.org 79 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Also just because the code works, doesn't mean it's good code.

I've had to review code the other day which was clearly created by an LLM. Two classes needed to talk to each other in a bit of a complex way. So I would expect one class to create some kind of request data object, submit it to the other class, which then returns some kind of response data object.

What the LLM actually did was pretty shocking, it used reflection to get access from one class to the private properties with the data required inside the other class. It then just straight up stole the data and did the work itself (wrongly as well I might add). I just about fell of my chair when I saw this.

So I asked the dev, he said he didn't fully understand what the LLM did, he wasn't familiar with reflection. But since it seemed to work in the few tests he did and the unit tests the LLM generated passed, he thought it would be fine.

Also the unit tests were wrong, I explained to the dev that usually with humans it's a bad idea to have the person who wrote the code also (exclusively) write the unit tests. Whenever possible have somebody else write the unit tests, so they don't have the same assumptions and blind spots. With LLMs this is doubly true, it will just straight up lie in the unit tests. If they aren't complete nonsense to begin with.

I swear to the gods, LLMs don't save time or money, they just give the illusion they do. Some task of a few hours will take 20 min and everyone claps. But then another task takes twice as long and we just don't look at that. And the quality suffers a lot, without anyone really noticing.

[–] airgapped@piefed.social 18 points 2 weeks ago

Great description of a problem I noticed with most LLM generated code of any decent complexity. It will look fantastic at first but you will be truly up shit creek by the time you realise it didn't generate a paddle.

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[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I was going to say. The code won’t compile but it will be “finished “

[–] WaitThisIsntReddit@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A couple agent iterations will compile. Definitely won't do what you wanted though, and if it does it will be the dumbest way possible.

[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yeah you can definitely bully AI into giving you some thing that will run if you yell at it long enough. I don’t have that kind of patience

Edit: typically I see it just silently dump errors to /dev/null if you complain about it not working lol

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 66 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Ooh, unemployment! How exciting! I love Microsoft now.

[–] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 49 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Seriously who the hell are they trying to sell this to?

Are they just that desperate to keep the hype train going?

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 54 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Business owners. People that don't want to spend money on annoying stuff like wages.

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[–] halloween_spookster@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

The circlejerk of tech bros and busidiots who haven't built a damn thing in their lives.

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[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 54 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Copilot, turn on the gas stove without the pilot. Copilot, in 3 hours light the pilot.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My Windows automatically read these instructions from my screen and I died!

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[–] thejml@sh.itjust.works 52 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Copilot keeps finishing my code for me in near real time... it completely disrupts my train of thought and my productivity dropped tremendously. I finally disabled it.

I LIKE writing code, stop trying to take the stuff away that I WANT to do and instead take away the stuff I HATE doing.

[–] lauha@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What I don't want AI to do:

  • write code for me
  • write fixes for me

What I want it to do:

  • find bugs and tell me about them (but still don't fix them)
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[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Yeah, I just wrote a blog post comment about how I enjoy using Copilot. But that's when I explicitly ask it a question or give it a task. The auto complete is wrong more often than it's right.

Probably doesn't help that if it was tedious, boilerplate code I would have already explicitly asked it.

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

yes but all the code will be wrong and you will spend your entire day chasing stupid mistakes and hallucinations in the code. I'd rather just write the code myself thanks.

[–] slampisko@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah! I can make my own stupid mistakes and hallucinations, thank you very much!

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago

What they forget to mention is that you then spend the rest of the week to fix the bugs it introduced and to explain why your code deleted the production database...

[–] garretble@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

I had a bit of a breakthrough with some personal growth with my code today.

I learned a bit more about entity framework that my company is using for a project, and was able to create a database table, query it, add/delete/update, normal CRUD stuff.

I normally work mostly on front end code, so it was rewarding to learn a new skill and see the data all the way from the database to the UI and back - all my code. I felt great after doing a code review this afternoon to make sure I wasn’t missing anything, and we talked about some refactoring to make it better.

AI will never give you that.

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[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago

I was finished with Windows before Microshit finished Copilot.

[–] IonTempted@lemmynsfw.com 23 points 2 weeks ago

"Microsoft Says Copilot" is like a Two Sentence horror story for me now.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

Love how they're pretending that an LLM is useful for any task that needs precision.

[–] llama@lemmy.zip 18 points 2 weeks ago

Actually it won't be finishing anything because code is disposable now and nobody cares what trivial app somebody can churn out

[–] kyonshi@piefed.social 17 points 2 weeks ago

Because you won't have time to drink that coffee if you put this code into production

[–] lightnegative@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Writing code is the reward for doing the thinking. If the LLM does it then software engineering is no fun.

It's like painting - once you've finally finished the prep, which is 90% of the effort, actually getting to paint is the reward

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

And it will leave you debugging strange code for two weeks afterward.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

where are my penguin boys at. 🐧

seriously people. the majority of you don't have to put up with this, you know that right?

Just enjoying this popcorn.

[–] YesButActuallyMaybe@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Ah get outta here! Next time they’ll say that co pilot also chooses my furry porn and controls my buttplug while it codes for me.

[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (5 children)

So why don't they use it to unfuck Windows 11... before I finish my coffee?

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[–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean it gets there in the end but it's often three of four prompts before it provides working code for a relatively simple powershell script. Can't imagine that it scales to complex code that well at the moment, but then again I'm not a coder.

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[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (14 children)

But, will it work, huh? HUH?

I can also type a bunch of random sentences of words. Doesn’t make it more understandable.

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[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

My problem is that the dev and stage environments are giving me 502 gateway errors when hitting only certain api endpoints from the app gateway. My real problem is devops aren't answering my support tickets and telling me which terraform var file I gotta muck with and tell me what to fix on it. I'm sure you'll be fixed soon though right copilot?

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

These fuckers at MicroShit have lost all the ability needed to read a room.

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[–] melfie@lemy.lol 9 points 2 weeks ago

A more appropriate line would be that Copilot can shit out code faster than you can pinch off your own loaf.

[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Does its ai learn from people using vscode?

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[–] popekingjoe@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

But... But I don't want it to. 😮‍💨

[–] Lyrac@programming.dev 9 points 2 weeks ago

Big over-promise. We're heavily incentived to use an AI coding agent at work. I try to be optimistic and treat it like a tool to help me do things I already know how to do but a little bit faster. It takes multiple iterations of "no, this still isn't working" to get something that I can touch up and push for review. The idea that I can prompt it and then step away for ten minutes to make coffee and return to an app is ludicrous.

Maybe one day that will be possible. Then I'll find a new job I guess

[–] ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

By the headline statement, that it should be complete and works 100%. Big doubt.

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago

I would rather paint a portrait by myself, spending the time to do it, rather than asking some computer prompt to spit me out a picture. Same logic applies with coding for me.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's great at bullshitting that it did what you wanted, even if it obviously didn't, which I guess is what counts for results at Microsoft.

It would be much better if they treated it as the slightly better (yeah, I said it) auto complete that it is instead of the beginning of fucking sky net -- which was supposed to be a bad thing anyway, remember?

But that wouldn't move the needle on all of the share prices, so instead we have to pretend it can do people's jobs when it fucking obviously cannot.

So, instead they keep pushing this AI (auto-complete insanity), and keep burning more and more cash. Imagine if we just put a portion of these billions (approaching trillions) into anything that could actually help anyone. Or don't, because it's pretty fucking depressing to think about.

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

If thats what they are aiming at, I feel like their AI is actually suppose to be the pilot and the user the copilot

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