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[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago (3 children)

To Russians, 'Nazi' is not a political ideology or a party, it's simply "Whoever is against Russia right now". Are you against Russia? You're a Nazi, it's as simple as that. If they had to contend with the idea that Nazism is a political ideology, they'd have to start calling themselves Nazis, which doesn't work in the Russian psyche.

So, when Russians say that Ukrainians are Nazis, what they really mean is "Ukrainians are fighting back when we kill their children. That makes them enemies and therefore Nazis"

[–] kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yes. The current modern neo-nazis behave similarly: they claim only the others (the ones they don't like) are Nazis and their own kind just want the "freedom" to say and do what they like, e.g. get rid of people of color, or political opponents after that. They also frequently claim they're the victims themselves (e.g. claims of "white genocide" => whites "need to fight back")). But they would never call themselves Nazis even though they are doing Nazi things regularly. Fascists twist and redefine words and meanings to serve their own agenda.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

Small correction: They go after political opponents, then minorities. Can't have organizations that can protect the minorities when you put them in camps.

[–] SkyEvoker@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

It's more like what Russian government wants than actual reality.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

That makes a lot of sense, thanks.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 121 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'm beginning to suspect these Nazi folks aren't very honest.

[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The honesty of Nazis is a peculiar thing. In Sweden, the far-right party that the government collaborates with, who were started by literal ex-SS nazis and neo-nazis, have celebrated other ex-SS nazis, have worn swaztikas and so on. They have this "sociologist" guy whose argument for this party not being nazis anymore is basically "Look at Golden Dawn and other nazi organizations, they are open about them being nazis. Nazis are honest about being nazis. That is why the Sweden Democrats cannot be nazis, because if they were, they'd be open about it".

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Which is fucking stupid because the Nazis initially weren't honest about being Nazis. There's a reason they called it National Socialism and not National Killjews-ism.

[–] drzoidberg@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (14 children)

And every dumb fuck magat clings to that National Socialist name, unable to read any more about how right wing Nazis are.

They're the Reich wing for a reason.

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[–] skyin7@feddit.org 23 points 1 day ago
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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Many tankies are apologetic of Russian imperialism as well.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Frankly, I think it gets a bit confusing when we lump every horrible authoritarian into the 'Nazi' bucket.

Not to validate Russia's assertion of any such authoritaranism in Ukraine, just broadly speaking to the 'they are a Nazi' accusations. Like even if a lot of these folks aren't "Nazis" they are still bad, but the language is like they might be fine so long as they aren't specifically a Nazi...

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Ok legitimate question bc I've been having this debate for a while, and I'm genuinely curious to hear input and opinions on this.

What makes a Nazi a Nazi other than fascist behavior, a love of authoritarianism, and nationalism + socialism (but only for those who are deemed worthy/appropriate for the nation)?

In the U.S. they call themselves Christian Nationalists, but they do check all those boxes.

From what I've heard about Putin's take on nationalism, Christianity (via the Russian Orthodox church), and Russia's own form of national socialism being the ultimate goal/promise made/reward for patriots willing to fight for their country, they also check all the boxes.

So what makes them not Nazis other than they don't want to accept the label?

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why is the governing party of Ukraine centre while Russia is far-right.

Not to mention how the little country treats queer people way better.

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, yeah, the bar on that last one isn't high

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago

just gotta beat one of the worst countries on earth for queer people

[–] RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Because MAGA is in denial. They think Nazis are left wing.

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"BuT tHeY aRe ThE nAtIoNaLiSt socialists So ThEy MuSt Be LuBrEeLs" - these dipshits, while declaring themselves white nationalists

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

“DEMOCRATS are the ones who wanted to KEEP SLAVERY” 🙄

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[–] Rothe@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

No they don't, they very well know what they are. But they like to lie about it to deflect from it. That is what nazis do.

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[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 8 points 1 day ago

I remember seeing a video posted fairly early on, showing a award ceremony where an LDR/DPR fighter was given medal for "his contributions to denazification". Both him and his commander was smugly smirking at each other. But what really tore it? The guy being awarded the medal was wearing shoulder patches featuring a Totenkopf and a Valknut.

I've lost count of the number of photos from Wagner Group youth camps featuring Nazi iconography. Never mind people like Dmitry Utkin and his tattoos.

[–] snekmuffin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 23 hours ago

nor do they give a shit about nazis within their own borders. skinheads raiding the few gay bars left is just another tuesday here.

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Because the Nazi ideology is no globalistic in the sense that Russians can think they are the "master race" and Ukrainians can think that they are the "master race".

That said, "fighting again Nazis" is just Russian propaganda.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

A lot of fascists are actually globalistic in the sense that they want to propagandise everyone to be isolationists, tribalistic and anti-democratic.

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[–] Bazell@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago
[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Tbf to Russia, during "operation gladio" the CIA funded ultra far right nationalist paramilitaries all across Europe which they paid for by running the heroine game out of Myanmar in collusion with the sicilian mob. It's the main reason for the rise of the far right all across Europe.

To be real with Russia, the idea that they could de-nazify another country when they couldn't even do it to themselves is a sick joke. However, the best lies have a grain of truth to them.

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[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago (12 children)

russia DIDN'T realize that ukraine's president is a jewish person named volodymyrr zelensky (which is fine, there's NOTHING wrong with being a jewish person). seriously!

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Oooh, ooh, I know this one, me me me, teacher, me me!

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