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[–] voronaam@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago

One thing that really gets me is comparing robotaxis with regular driving. How about comparing robotaxis to... taxis? Would not that be much more sane?

Professional taxi drivers do get into accidents. But their per-distance metric is much better than of an average Joe driving home after 10 hours work shift and a one-too-many pint after work.

Why anyone would ever compare robotaxi to anything else but a regular taxi?

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Yet $TSLA stock just keeps going up. Remember when news like this would actually mean something in the stock market? America's economy is like 🤏 this close to collapse because everything is fake and nothing matters.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago

The US Economy after the inevitable, next global depression:

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 22 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Remember when the argument for self driving cars was that they don't need to be perfect, just better than humans?

[–] Zink@programming.dev 1 points 5 hours ago

I think that's still a valid argument since perfection will probably never happen.

For me it's more like, remember when the expectation was that Tesla would ever produce a version that didn't suck ass?

[–] vetehinen@lethallava.land 5 points 14 hours ago

@JackbyDev@programming.dev @return2ozma@lemmy.world well that's still Waymo's argument I think. Elon is a bit different in many ways...

[–] Someone8765210932@lemmy.world 31 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

If only there was an entity that could make rules about who and what can be driven on public roads.

I know it sounds impossible, but what if this entity could have stepped in before companies tread public roads and other drivers as beta testers for their half finished commercial products? They could have forced companies to either make this stuff work, or keep it off the roads.

Real talk for a moment: The world, but especially the USA has been on fire over the last decade. Sometimes I wonder how different the introduction of certain technologies could have been if everyone wasn't distracted by all the craziness and governments had actually done their job. I'm not just talking about self-driving or AI, as another example, but also crypto and social media in general. Would things be much different, if this stuff appeared during "boring times"?

Sorry, I'm just rambling here ...

[–] ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

I don't think the blank cheque handed to these emergent technologies is a function of the times in which they emerged. Rather it's the fact that technology advances much faster than the wheels of government turn; it's nearly inevitable that new technologies will be largely unregulated until government can catch up.

[–] mad_djinn@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

perhaps the governance of the united states was never really meant to be effective, but good enough for now, before they could usher in the new era, of His dominion upon earth. hyper-techno-christian-fascism is gonna taste so good in the chips aisle

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 18 points 22 hours ago

Pretty sure that would make them as bad as or worse than drunk drivers.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I will never take any auto autonomous Tesla. Waymo maybe, but always a taxi or Uber and better yet a bus or train.

I can't remember how many safety features Tesla has foregone in the name of profit, but my perception of them is that they're death machines for both riders and pedestrians. No thank you

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 hours ago

It’s not even about profit any more, Elon’s ego just won’t let him admit that he was wrong about a camera-only system, when the entire rest of the industry is using LIDAR. Genius businessman doesn’t understand the concept of sunk cost.

[–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago

They still drive better than Elon who is in a k hole right now 👍

[–] dumbass@piefed.social 8 points 1 day ago

Human: pffft hold my beer... Wait no, I'll keep it.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 151 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (12 children)

There was a news story two weeks ago about Waymo taxis in Texas driving through 20 bus stops over a few days.

The only response was, "company officials treat this very seriously and are working on a fix."

It's bizarre how if you drove through twenty bus stops in three days, you would not only lose your license but be in jail on multiple charges.

But if a corporation does it it is, "Oops, we will do better next time."

Utterly insane.

No wonder Sovereign Citizens think they can get away with anything with the right paperwork.

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 45 points 1 day ago (19 children)

Self driving cars have always been a stupid solution to the wrong problem.

We shouldn't be investing billions in them. We should be investing billions in creating livable spaces that don't need cars so much. Then people will be happier and there will be less pollution.

But I guess that's not profitable so I guess we'll just do idiotic garbage that gets people killed.

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[–] frunch@lemmy.world 81 points 1 day ago (10 children)

I found this part to be even more alarming:

All of the Robotaxi crashes so far have occurred with human safety monitors—who have been trained to take control of the car in the event of a software error—present in the vehicles.

This is significant because, as TechCrunch reported on Monday, Tesla is starting to send out its Robotaxi fleet without safety monitors.

So despite a pitiful record with people trying to correct the cars mistakes, they're now ready to move on to running them without assistance?!? I am furious at the idea that our safety on the roads is this negotiable.

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