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During the agents’ violent attack on a delivery worker Saturday morning in DC, bystanders repeatedly demanded the agents share their badge numbers. One of them—his face fully obscured by a black balaklava—eventually shot back, “Do I have to answer to you?”

“You guys are ruining this country. You know that, right?” one bystander said to the agents at one point during the incident. An agent, ironically clad in a rainbow face mask, replied “Liberals already ruined it.”

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Last week on stage at the Netroots conference in New Orleans, I spoke with Congresswoman Delia Ramirez (D-IL) about ICE: specifically that she believes it should be abolished. It’s a stance that’s considered far left, but after witnessing ICE and other federal agents in DC this week, abolishing ICE should be the baseline Democratic position.

“ICE is a terrorist organization,” Ramirez told me. “It needs to be defunded and needs to be abolished.”

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[–] HiddenPotential@lemmy.world 1 points 4 minutes ago

Bigotry and lack of decency ruined the country but it was already ruined it was built on blood repe and kidnapping and forced labor

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 3 points 1 hour ago

Well that's one thing we agree on

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 11 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

He must have left his fedora at home.

[–] tamal3@lemmy.world 1 points 6 minutes ago

What's the symbolism of a fedora?

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 26 points 7 hours ago

Juvenile. Pissed off that someone might hold them accountable. Not much these people hate more than oversight and someone getting in the way of their violence.

[–] morphballganon@lemmynsfw.com 24 points 8 hours ago

How dare liberals encourage education and renewable energy! And infrastructure and foreign trade! And civil liberties and reasonable prices!

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 50 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

This country is going to need a new level of cult deprogramming to get anywhere. I won't see it in my lifetime.

[–] StopSpazzing@lemmy.world 30 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe this time we hang all of the confederates and not let any live so this shit doesnt happen again?

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 21 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Agreed. As seen with my nation and Germany, the Confederates and Nazis went on to raise Klanners and Stormfronters. ICE should be trialed and executed as a class, else they will escape the justice that they deserve. It isn't kind, but necessary.

They chose to embrace evil, and should die because of the sins they have earned.

Apparently, the Nuremberg trials executed less than 210 Nazis. Considering how many Jews and other peoples have been slaughtered, that is a bullshit result. Trial by individual isn't sufficient for institutionalized war crimes.

[–] indomara@lemmy.world 15 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Absolutely. There is a movie about a housekeeper during the holocaust who hid Jews in the basement of the commander's house she worked in. When he eventually found out, she bargained with him, said she would be his mistress if he would say nothing and let them live.

After the war, when the dust settled, the commander was turned away by his wife and children for sheltering the Jews, and it was the Jews themselves he had allowed to live who took him in.

There were many people living everyday lives that had drank the coolaid and saw the extermination of the Jews as absolutely necessary and considered anyone who disagreed a traitor. Those people went on to raise children and teach them that sick way of thinking.

[–] lapping6596@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 8 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Honestly, it sucks that execution of ICE as a class has to be considered: it isn't unlike the cruelty they inflict on people who didn't deserve to be abused nor killed.

That is where the distinction lies: deservedness.

Advocating for almost the same thing is icky. I cannot be said to be innocent, for supporting this method to end the madness. 😞

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

The difference comes down to who makes up the class. What criteria is used. In this case it is personal choices that landed them on it, so I really don't see anything morally wrong here.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

ICE is a terrorist organization, but if they aren't going to abolish it then we need to abolish ICE members. One by one by one.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 12 points 10 hours ago

ICE is something far worse than that. They're the fucking Gestapo.

[–] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 92 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (4 children)

ICE is becoming a paramilitary organization, Trump's personal army. It isn't really fulfilling its supposed role for which it was created in the first place.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 hours ago

It absolutely is fulfilling the role it was created for. It's just not fulfilling the role that it was stated to be created for.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 14 points 10 hours ago

Critics have been saying that about the ICE for over 2 decades. It's a force that doesn't adhere to congress but instead only the president, it operates without oversight or courts issuing their warrants. It's literally the modern Gestapo.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 33 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

ICE has a bigger budget than the entire Russian military.

[–] FE80@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Send ICE to Ukraine; we can get two birds stoned at once.

[–] sylvieslayer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Omg! I say we can get 2 birds stoned at once 😂😂 I didnt think anyone else did. Day made.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 12 points 8 hours ago

I think most of them would just fight for Putin.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 31 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Right!? It was supposed to be a paramilitary organization that harassed, assaulted, disappeared, and murdered people crossing the border. SMH truly lost their way...

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Liberals surprised Pikachu face when the agency created during the bush administration is fascist.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

At least he was funny.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 10 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Wow that sounds familiar, where have I heard language like that before?

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Every republican since Bush 2?

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 4 points 7 hours ago

And Tankies

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 79 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The republican traitor filth must be brought low.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 37 points 13 hours ago

Abolishing paramilitaries in all forms should be a baseline Democratic position. It ain't the 1770s anymore.

[–] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 93 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

What is that agents name and badge number?

[–] griff@lemmings.world 15 points 11 hours ago

what does that agent’s face look like?

[–] chonkyninja@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago
[–] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 10 points 11 hours ago

I lived in DC for 6 years and always wore my seatbelt. Never had any issues. I doubt a senator would be driving through the areas where you would have an issue too.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 34 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I really don't understand how cons think liberals "ruined" anything. This country could be very great if the cons would stop trying to make everyone's lives miserable by constantly poking their nose where it doesn't belong.

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 29 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

"Things would be better if it weren't for [group], they're the problem, not the rich." It's a lie as old as civilization and conservatives always fall for it.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 2 points 45 minutes ago

The problem always has been and always will be the lazy rich that don't want to work.

[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 27 points 14 hours ago

A mid-size nuclear powerplant is required to drive the searchlight that'd enable this level of projection.

[–] medicsofanarchy@lemmy.world 33 points 15 hours ago

Meal Team Six is pretty badass with their masks.

[–] griff@lemmings.world 6 points 11 hours ago

ice pricks, ice holes

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