What a meh take on things. "We filled in a form, why isn't Canada launching an aggressive James Bond-like campaign to go against the regional government (Israel) and extract my family members?!?!?! YOU MUST BE RACIST!!!". Canada didn't do that shit during WWII: my grandparents had to foot the bill to smuggle their siblings out of nazi-fying germany. Canada generally hasn't/doesn't do clandestine extraditions on behalf of individuals, except in very rare circumstances. It isn't racism. Not everything is racism.

Comparing Ukraine refugees, who were leaving a country generally on their own dime and with the ok of the regional power (Ukraine was cool with it), to Gaza refugees is bonkers. If the Gaza population could as easily board a plane and head elsewhere, maybe that comparison would have some merit. But they can't, and ignoring the issue of a regional government that's opposed to allowing these people free movement, and instead claiming it's because of Racism in Canada is utter and complete bullshit. It leans into the idea that this group is often a security risk -- they play a racism card, attempting to sow discord in Canada, for their own interests.

And as for generally being considered a security threat, who's fuckin fault is that I wonder? The number of people I've met who've come to Canada, and then maintained all their own "cultural" baggage is absurd. Shit heads goin viral for comments like "We don't have to obey Canadian laws, cause soon Muslims will out number you here and we'll have Sharia instead" kinda crap. Or the numerous cases in the media of recent immigrants committing heinous acts. And LOTS of the folks from that region have a ton of baggage. We don't want to import local regional conflicts and strife, nor religious zealots -- there's no benefit for Canada to do so.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Except, Ukraine legitimately did get an unusually generous special program for visas, and Palestinians have to prove they have family financial support, which has never been required of anyone else.

Cool Shariah-baiting in the last paragraph. You make the tabloids proud.

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

dur dur, let's ignore the regional government comments, and the differences in how easy it is to sort out the logistics, to continue the narrative that Canada racist! Canada brought in tons of immigrants recently and fucked up the economy for everyone, health care system straining, and infrastructure unable to keep up with influx of people unable to contribute meaningfully to the economy for decades to come... causing them to pivot focus onto the internal struggles and trade wars that are ongoing, and the need to build up internal resiliency... but that's not a factor! They're just racists!!

And it's not tabloid shit. Here in Vancouver, we've literally had recent immigrants rape/murder kids in Central Park in the recent past. Guess which area of the world the perp was from. Like we have Chinese nationals literally going to our courts, openly admitting to all the fraud involved with their immigration paths because "that's how its done in Canada", and yet it's racist to call it out. We literally had a Cullen Inquiry into all the money laundering, and one of its findings was that the people in charge of 'oversight' had been guilted into letting things slide after being accused of being racists.

So fuck any call about racism, or any attempt to use the racism card to get preferential treatment, when you're intentionally ignoring the realistic conditions that make this case totally fucking different. Go eat a bag of multi-colored ethnically diverse dicks.

[–] Amuletta@lemmy.ca 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Do you seriously think that white Canadian born citizens never rape or murder? Hello - does the name David Snow ring any bells? Clifford Olson? Robert Picton? Russell Davies?

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca -1 points 7 months ago

Did I say white Canadians don't somewhere? No? Oh, well, then I guess I can respond with something equally asinine?

There's nothing wrong with wanting immigrants to Canada to respect Canadian laws / systems / culture. And to leave their stupid baggage back in their home country. Having a vetting system / screens in place to try and ensure that's the case is not a bad thing, even if there are already issues in the country.

Oh, right, the asinine part -- I guess you're the sort of person who's totally cool with letting ISIS people, people who kept slaves and murdered folks for religious reasons, come back to Canada like no big deal. You seem keen to allow every murderer there is in, and to give em free tax-payer funded health care etc. No, wait, you likely aren't that much of an idiot, and it isn't hard to imagine that you aren't, but by god let's make sure we take the most extreme dumbarse perspective possible online!

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Well, making the educated guess that you're not Native, there definitely is at least one immigrant who's regressive.

I'm old enough to remember things were also shit before the big Trudeau immigration surge. And actually worse in several ways.

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Born and raised in BC -- Dad immigrated when he was a teen (solo), Mom's parents came over from Germany.

The immigration surge caused a shit load of problems to become exacerbated. There's a fuckin reason why they capped it. Pretending like that reason doesn't exist, except because "RACISM!! ITS RACISM!!" is fucking stupid.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Lol, so first generation/second generation, even. By your logic, relative to me you don't belong here. Back to where you came from.

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

By my logic? The fuck are you talking about. If anything, you're imagining some bullshit logic that you're then projecting. Fuck off.

I didn't say no immigrants, I didn't say immigration itself is bad, I said that there needs to be some checks on who immigrates to make sure that they can contribute to CANADIAN society in a meaningful way, and so that they're not bringing their baggage from their home countries over with them. I said that Canada not doing some clandestine bullshit to help a bunch of people from Gaza come to Canada, with practically zero checks on who they are, is not a matter of Canada being 'racist' against Palestinians. How the fuck do you turn that into a "wa wa Colonizers stole Native land and you should all leave!" bullshit I don't know.

Not everything is Racism. And not everything is a fucking First Nations issue. Fucking "victims" constantly trying to steal the spotlight from one another, even when the issue has nothing to do with them. "You gotta let Palestinians immigrate unchecked en masse, because First Nation Residential schools and Canada's a Racist Genocidal nation!!!!!!". How the fuck that adds to any part of the issue / conversation I've no fucking clue, but I guess I'm just a dumb non-first gen immigrant colonizer. Go on, play your alleged race card some more and act like I should give a shit. I won't.

Besides, when my grandfather on my mom's side immigrated to Canada, he was put to work in remote lumber camps/farms for the first 5 years of his life in Canada under a program from back then -- in other words, he fits 'fine' into my notion that people immigrating to the country should provide value / benefit to the country explicitly, and that they shouldn't be allowed in en masse unchecked. When he spent his life savings to get his siblings out of Germany, they too, were put into a kind of screening process/program, because (Surprise!) there were some issues with Germans at the time, which required some extra scrutiny, but it wasn't "RACIST" it was just practical. I can say with relative confidence that I have generations of my family on my moms side, and a full generation on my dads side, that've contributed to the programs/institutions of Canada. I imagine that isn't such an easy assertion for other folks who've been here longer, who still seem hellbent on tearing down Canadian institutions and subverting the government at every opportunity they get.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I'm also not First Nations, just from an older "more Canadian" family than yours.

I deliberately haven't brought up race, because your thing is so full of holes otherwise that it's easy to humour that. The article did, but I'm not OP or the author.

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"I intentionally baited a silly trap and you inferred the obvious thing that I had implied, and so the jokes on you! Hahah!"

Idiot. Gaslight away, doesn't change how stupid this position is in regards to palestinian refugees and racism being pushed by the ops article.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Don't play the racism card, that's a trap. Play the racism card, obviously that's all I can do. Real fair.

I'd like to point out there are people that agree with you without being racist; I came into this seeing a misguided worldview and nothing else. The main thing that makes you seem racist is how much you eventually ranted about race, and the pearls you clutched when you though I was Native instead of just more white than you.

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 0 points 7 months ago

If you look back, there's a reason I had said "alleged" race card in my earlier post -- I hadn't assumed you were FN, as there's a lot of other races that take on that guise these days, but what you had implied and baited was the FN issue. By your own fucking admission.

Whatever color you are in real life, you're a shit person that fails to understand that baiting and semantic stupidity isn't really a way to argue a point at all. You saying "I baited a bunch of things with race stuff, and you took that bait and made comments about race stuff!" isn't a fault on my side you dumb fuck. And anyone that construes what I said as 'racist' is also a dumbass -- it isn't racist to be pissed off with how there are so many FN issues / things getting brought in constantly, especially when you were implying/baiting that you were gonna do just that. It's literally "Hey, this guy here, he read my post and understood what I was baiting, and responded to it cause he understood what I had been implying, but then I did a sneaky and revealed I was lying in my baiting! Isn't that funny!" No, it isn't you moron.

Like if you were a pre-op trans person, my guess is you'd be the sort to go to a biker bar and try to pick up straight bikers just to laugh haughtily as they kicked your ass once they found out your plumbing was wrong. You'd be giggling to yourself how witty and smart you were the whole time for having fooled those "supposed" men into being gay. You'd still be a moron.