As much as I know Spotify isn't great for artists, I do find it to be the best streaming option for how I enjoy music. Next to Winamp of course.
this post was submitted on 09 Sep 2025
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I wish Winamp was on Android so I could use it on my phone, too. Especially if it had Milkdrop Visualizer.
I used to host my own Shoutcast. Full on DJ cosplay, like it was FM radio. ๐คฃ
Especially if it had Milkdrop Visualizer.
I wouldn't be suprised if there's a ProjectM port. It's in Debian.
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Yup. Not on F-Droid, though.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.psperl.prjM&hl=en_US
https://github.com/projectM-visualizer/projectm
projectM is an open-source project that reimplements the esteemed Winamp Milkdrop by Geiss in a more modern, cross-platform reusable library.
That's what I did for my wedding - shoutcast with a requests plugin so the wedding party and guests could choose what songs to play.
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A long time ago, you could go to a special store and trade government paper for music disks and tape that you got to keep forever.
Same but I have a huge collection of digital media.
Well hey old man, go to bandcamp and pay a quarter or an eighth of the price of that frisbee to get lossless audio files that you can download and backup to your heart's content.
Spotify was always for chumps.
Alright, I got an eighth. How do I trade it for music?
Come to my house and I'll play you some of my CDs
When I discovered that it was possible to buy and download drm free lossless flac-files i went back to buying music again. Never looked back tbh.
Where do you buy them from?
Im gonna guess bandcamp?
Mostly Qobuz.
Oh, I thought that was only indie artists
Dunno about the user you asked, but I've used Bandcamp for that.
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I remember that time and it was kind of awful. It was brutal in terms of packaging, and lugging around all those cds sucked. It was way more expensive and the money still all went to record companies, not to mention how terrible it felt to pay full price for a mostly garbage cd just for one song (singles existed though but not for everything).
Records companies also had final say on who we listened too and completely controlled the whole scene essentially.
I get the nostalgia but it was 100% worse both for artists and consumers. Well it has always been rough for artists tbh, I don't know if it's harder right now or not.
The contracts that steal music from artists haven't changed one iota. Unless you've got juice like Paul McCarty, Beyonce, or Taylor Swift, and even then it can be a fight that takes years.
I have a feeling it's easier to put your music out there as an independant artists. There's always someone taking a cut but the contacts are optional and there isn't much gate keeping like before.
This 100%. Just because capitalism makes streaming unethical doesn't mean we need to go back to old studio system of other capitalist bastards to serve as gatekeepers of art.
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[glances at shelf in corner]
Can confirm.
What in the tech world isn't broken? Besides older consoles and computers disconnected from the internet.
My GOG games aren't, my Steam library's still chugging along after 11 years, my Linux installs haven't failed or started spying on me and my offline, modular 3d printer still works.
It's all about understanding what you're using/buying and what's the incentives for those on the other end. We shouldn't have to think about that all the time, but on the bright side there are cool things happening outside of enshittification by publicly traded corpos.
Also VLC is free and is one of the best media players there is, and yt-dlp is so easy to acquire music with I'm surprised people thought spotify was a good long term idea for their music consumption.
steam will go to shit soon as we lose gaben
Fingers crossed he passes the reigns to someone with the same vision.
Quite a bit of what they do gets into open source.
This. I've been developing my exit strategy for years and am reluctant to buy too many games on steam. It's going to hit most people like a freight train
Steam will do a rug pull one day. You purchase a license to their games, you do not own them.
What do you think will happen? Classic enshittification?
Wanting some kind of subscription to still play?
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Helps that steam's DRM is piss-easy to crack, and good indie devs give you DRM-free redeemable copies if you show a proof of purchase (Klei my beloved)
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I love seeing this. As someone who has kept his own library of music since 2004 and went through the peak of local libraries to it almost being dead after like 2012, this is a day I never saw coming! When it started declining, home hosting solutions were already sparse, but then some more threw in the towel as well. Right now, I use Navidrome as my server and Symfonium for the app and has been an incredible 2 years using it. If people start coming back, I feel like it will only drive more creativity and new features as it will be worked on more than it is.
Navidrome + ListenBrainz + Bandcamp (and a little Soulseek) = unshittification
I also use Symfonium, it is just awesome
Yeah! I've been using it since the first month, and it has been released and has come a long way in only 2 years. Funny enough, I used to use his other app, Yatse, way back in like 2010 for a while, and I also have nothing but high praise for it as well. It was a remote control app for Kodi, and the things he added to it were impressive. Who knew you needed tons of features in a remote control app!
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That's typically the kind of videos I will never watch. The thumbnail is ridiculous (as per YouTube's guidelines), the title is vague and clickbait. For those who did, what made you click?
PS: thanks OP for adding details
I refuse to use YouTube without sponsorblock and dearrow. I use Firefox on android with extensions and make a YouTube PWA because thumbnails in the official app are ridiculous.
Even good channels like Veritasium have completely irrelevant titles make me skip videos I would've watched
You need ID to for adult sites like discord or twitter but you did a cover with Drake? We trust you...
Do you want to buy bread? Show me your ID! I don't get it, why isn't your ID on your body like other people? You're an outlaw!!!
I really want to get a https://www.crowdsupply.com/cool-tech-zone/tangara at some point.
Although I have an old ipod with a new battery and linux installed...so theres no real need.
Did he ever go over bandcamp? Most of the indie music that is local at least has something on there.
This is from the artist's pov, and touches on specific scenarios, but generally speaking this and other things make every Spotify user's experience worse.
And what I hate most is that they don't even understand what I'm talking about. That they're being duped, and that I have more freedom in choosing and discovering music than them.
So many people think solely in genres nowadays, not individual artists. And they don't even care if more and more generic or AI generated stuff finds its way into their playlists. They "adapt". After all, they only put stuff they like into their playlists, right? But unknowingly, gently, they keep getting pulled towards a trodden path and if this goes on long enough we'll have like 10 genres to choose from and that's it. No individual artists anymore, no experimentation, no challenging your listening habits etc.
edit: it seems my general anti-streaming-service-rant partly contradicts this video, or misses its topic by half a mile, but then again maybe not? Shit's complex.
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