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[–] thax@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The tragedy of it all is that I suspect we'd agree on far more if we bridged the information divide. Yes, even the hateful bigots would eventually see the error of their ways given exposure to the populations they detest so. Every day, we use the very tool that could solve the problem, yet it winds up inflaming our insecurities and having the opposite effect.

And, I'm not going to throw up my hands and deflect with "it's just human nature." That's bullshit. We are constantly changing. Our nature and the influences that formed its current state can also change. Sadly, low information ideology and predatory bad actors, have proven to be a formidable clot.

[–] Burninator05@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Very similar to the Affordable Care Act vs Obamacare. Most people on both sides like the ACA or at least see it as a positive thing but the right hates Obamacare. They are lied to and do not know they are the same thing.

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.world 122 points 2 days ago (3 children)

MAGA just thinks that it'll torch the Clintons and not their entire leadership. They will readily accept any half baked excuse for trump and co being on the list. They have no morals, only marching orders.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I think they may finally be waking up to the fact that their king is a POS

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They've had a decade to wake up to it, I highly doubt that this is the breaking point. I'd love to be wrong, but he's shit on every supposed republican value with no repercussions, why would they have grown morals now?

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I know it's anecdotal, but my MAGA pizza gate believing friend has finally said to me that he thinks I'm right and Trump offed Epstein. I've literally been saying that since day 1.

[–] 5too@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Glad to hear it. It's frustrating how slow movement is, but there is movement. It just takes a lot to break through.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

I wish I could have convinced my friend to quit the weird racist shit he got pilled on years ago. He used to be a dyed in the wool Marxist, then spent 10 years on 4chan for some reason and did a 180°. I had to walk away from my best friend of twenty years.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I don't believe it was at Trump's behest directly. He's just one of many, many powerful people who had reason to want him gone.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Yeah, I honestly don’t believe trump would have been able to not brag about it if he’d arranged it.

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

They've always known, that's why they support him to begin with

[–] Draces@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

only marching orders.

Isn't 82% going against orders here? I thing we've found an issue that they won't just move on from which is why it's important to keep the narrative focused on this

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

I sincerely hope that this is finally the line for them, I'm just not holding my breath.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago

No, the voters, as much as I despise them, are usually genuine with what they want. They're just stupid and let the media mislead them into thinking there's crazy conspiracies, and republicans will fix things. Most of them do generally care about pedophilia, and want this released no matter who is on it. It's part of why they voted for Trump, because he said he'd release it. That was obviously a lie to anyone not in a cult, but I won't hold it against them that they do actually care.

The party officials? They're against releasing it. There's MTG, who is on the right side for once calling for the release, but most of the party will do anything to protect dear leader.

[–] tryagain@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

And this is why Kirk had to be sacrificed.

[–] n3m37h@lemmy.world 70 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Seems like there is aprox 15% of the population that needs to be purged

[–] Agrivar@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I wonder how close to a perfect circle the Venn diagram of "people who don't want the Epstein files released" and "actual pedophiles" is...

[–] WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] lime@feddit.nu 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

...if 51 million us citizens are pedophiles i think psychology and anthropology has a lot of work to do

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] lime@feddit.nu 6 points 2 days ago

that's insane stats. horrible.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 2 days ago

a thought from reading the other reply, i think we can safely say that the numbers of abusers are around there, but i don't think we can ever find out how many of them are doing it only due to getting off on the power imbalance rather than on the actual person they are abusing. it could be that it's situational, like suicides. it's not something i want to think about too much.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Depends on definitions really.

Online pedo has a low bar ans seems to mean anyone who has any sexual thoughts directed to a factual minor.

Irl you have a distinction between attraction and acting, also between children en teenagers.

Plenty of sick fucks who are into power and general taboo but are not actually attracted to minors themselves specifically. That list is going to have plenty of people like that.

Vs

Non acting actual pedophiles that are moral citizens privately dealing with a sex disorder. They are just as likely to demand justice as the rest of us.

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[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 1 points 1 day ago

I mean yeah, but how many of them don't know who Epstein is and why it matters. Not an excuse, bit illiteracy is a problem.

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Why are "MAGA Republicans" in a separate category from "Republicans"? They're all MAGA Reublicans; even some of the Democrats are MAGA Republicans.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They are definitely two distinct groups. Don't let the media fool you, there is party division to exploit

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm uninterested in manipulating the uniquely regressive knobs that activate "Republicans" separately from "MAGAts".

Unless it's to turn on their class consciousness against all billionaires.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They're absolutely still two different groups. Doesn't matter if you're interested in differentiating them lol

And just to be clear, they're both shitty. But maga republicans are a powerful minority of the party so you're basically saying that all rectangles are squares

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Arnold Schwarzenegger isn't a magat

no idea why still registered as a republican... 🤷‍♂️

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You could've stayed on with the belief that you'd mitigate the MAGAts at the very start but you have to concede that they're only dragging you deeper now, not the other way around.

It's the same with progressives and Democrats. I used to believe progressives should stay and help pull moderates and liberals left in the Democrat party. But it's inescapably clear now that mainstay Democrats are completely unwilling to be dragged left, so the left needs to separate. If you stay in the party, you stay complicit with what it does. This isn't a home you built or a nationality you were born into. It's a job you went for and a side you chose; choose a different one now that the current one is soiled.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Even these stats concur with this. If you are wearing a monocle and a top hat and claiming you are a non-Maga republican you are so full of shit I think you are almost worse than the ones that wear their racism on their sleeves.

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[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 47 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Don't worry, once Republicans see that there are Republican names on the list, not just Democrats, they'll reverse course and call it all a hoax.

[–] pizza_the_hutt@sh.itjust.works 35 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This. The only reason MAGA supports this in the first place is that they believe in conspiracy theories about Democrat elites being pedophiles.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 23 points 2 days ago

And when the actual names come out, then it'll be "fake news".

[–] BadlyTimedLuck@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

'Democrat' or 'Repunlican' elites seem to be the common theme among both sides of this argument. I think it's certain to say that ALL the elites are in on this pedophile ring, and we gotta break down the White House's walls to reach the kiddos locked away in the basement. Cuz if there weren't any sex dungeons in the White House before, there certainly are now...

[–] WHARRGARBL@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

And that’s why I couldn’t give a fuck about any files. My attention/activism/money is on the actually urgent crises going on around us all right now.

[–] Resol@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

The last time it was united was to decide what the following line would be to the verse "Jingle bells, Batman smells"

98% of all Americans said it should be "Robin laid an egg".

[–] HumanOnEarth@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 days ago

"Survey conducted July"

The republican numbers are nowhere near this high today. Nowhere near. I'd guess it's under 50% now. The propaganda machine has done its job.

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Funny how MAGA is still the lowest.

[–] n3m37h@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Christians tend to be the most willing to believe in obsurd shit

[–] Sidhean@piefed.social 12 points 2 days ago

Each of these groups means something different by "release" and "Epstein files", I'd bet

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago

What Americans want has zero impact on the government. The wealthy in this country make the decisions. Hell, sometimes corporate lobbyists literally write the bills we pass.

[–] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

Great. Now why don't you try to unite on some serious shit, like wealth inequality.

[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Now do the Charlie Kirk assassination.

[–] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago

Honestly, from my experience in ground zero, rural, conservative America, don't get your hopes up. While it's certainly possible that I live in an anomalous bubble, this is a case where the online discourse doesn't seem to match up to real life, for average, everyday conservatives in my sphere.

Like, there was a bit of discussion when the documents were first unsealed and it was clear that Trump wasn't planning to release them in full and unredacted as he promised. That lasted a few days. New marching orders and new distractions came out and now it's all crickets as far as the ears can hear.

Also, I'd be curious to see the source of this information. The graphic makes it look like this came from MSNBC, so I'd say, more evidence is needed as it's a very biased news source so it's not like you can just trust them to provide an unbiased view of MAGA and Republicans in general. Like maybe this poll is legit, but also, maybe this was a cherry picked data set that's not really in line with other similar polls. This isn't exactly a source you can or should inherently trust.

[–] AmazingAwesomator@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

i know it seems like a minor thing, but dear news: please refer to those with no party preference as such. we are not all voting for the independent party.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Independent_Party

edit: also acceptable is "Other" or "Third Party" for those aligned with a party that isnt D/R

[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I guarantee you that most people who are registered as independent don't know that party exists.

Given that "independent" is supposed to mean "not registered to ANY political party," it's more fair to suggest the Independent Party change their name.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

I assumed they were counting on people voting for them by accident.

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[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

Republicans and MAGA Republicans are the same group.

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