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[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 91 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

It will take some serious, I hate to say it, YouTube campaigning and such to make Linux a more mainstream thought in the public’s brain.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 76 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

What it takes is people being able to buy a Linux machine at the local electronics store. Installing your OS yourself is still a major hurdle for most people.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 54 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

That is an important step, yes.

However another important step is that the default distro needs to basically not even highlight that terminal exists.

If you're trying to learn how to use linux, and step 1 of the tutorial is "open terminal", you will lose 97% of your new install base. Then headlines will flood that linux machines are being returned in high numbers.

As much as you guys hate to hear this, the first experience for a new linux user needs to be intuitive. Before they even turn the machine on, they have to know how to use this software. Not because they are experts, but because the space and experience guides itself.

Then as you learn, you can customize a bit more, and from there linux can become a rabbit hole. But the point is, let the individual user control the depths which they dive. Because I suspect 90%+ won't even change the desktop background. And thats ok.

Make it easy for the dummies, but then you individually can tinker if you want to. And it's linux, so....ya know. Go nuts. But some people don't want to do all that tinkering. That vanilla experience is what gets remembered to represent that OS. Even if you customized it and experienced it very differently.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you use something like Mint or Ubuntu, you never need to see the terminal.

[–] Imaginary_Stand4909@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You say that, but there are plenty of posts on the Linux mint forums where solutions requured using the terminal for basic troubleshooting (especially WiFi and bluetooth).

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago

That's where I think Bazzite really shines... I didn't need the terminal to setup all of the normal stuff at all, and new apps I discovered right from the start menu so I didn't need to go far at all.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Yup. I'm using my terminal every day, but I program for work and don't mind a keyboard-friendly interface for a few forms of tinkering and program updates I'm doing. But even I wanted to prefer the GUI for common actions.

The stupidest reason I started going back to my terminal was, my GUI package manager didn't have a "Select All / Select None" button for package updates, so if I only wanted to update one app at a time, I had to do it from the terminal. That's not "terminal being awesome", or "terminal being my preference", that's just lazy UI design.

[–] cole@lemdro.id 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Gnome is very good at this

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

But its very unfamiliar for people coming from Windows. That said, ZorinOS does a very good job of reworking it to look and act like Windows, KDE, cinnamon or previous versions of Gnome.

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[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The Deck probably looks too toylike for many people. The GabeCube might really make an impact, if the price is right.

[–] zerozaku@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

I'm afraid price won't be right or I have to say it's hard for to it to be right when pc components are soaring in prices. They just ran into a bad timing.

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 6 points 3 weeks ago

More than system76 and Lenovo think pads without graphics cards.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Problem is Youtube is known to censor these kind of campaigns. I think they literally got caught delisting Tiny11 tutorials recently. Imagine what they‘ll do if Linux Tutorials pick up steam. Big tech is one giant illegal syndicate and politicians have invested in all of them.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

YouTube has done a lot of malicious removal, but I'd be surprised if Windows 11 was one of those intentional targets. YT is run by Google, purveyors of Chromebooks; I'd think they'd generally benefit from a move off of MS/Windows.

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[–] nil@piefed.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

And soon there would be a corpo that will make a closed source commercial OS based on Linux and people will somehow use their crap.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Like Android? It's getting more closed every day.

[–] nil@piefed.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago

Oops, completely forgot about it

I don't think ChromeOS is going to win though

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Red hat is still around...

[–] nil@piefed.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Redhat is opensource, it's just not free to use

Rocky and Fedora are based off it ig

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[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 52 points 3 weeks ago

I like the headline… former Windows users are picking up Steam on Linux, because it’s pretty much indistinguishable from Steam on Windows.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

So... just like... KDE?

Not that it is designed for it but it is a similar workflow and should be familiar to Windows users

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago

Or COSMIC in the second configuration option

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[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 35 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I don't truly understand things like this. Most DE's are similar enough to Windows that anyone who's spent a minute on a computer should be able to intuitively get to a web browser to surf the web. That's what most people do. Word processing and the likes is tough since most are ingrained in Office, but something like (pukes in mouth) Google sheets is decently popular and good enough for most people.

If you give most someone a computer with a browser and auto updates, they'll be able to do almost everything they are already doing on Windows with minimal thought.

There are exceptions, but those people suck at Windows already, so it's a moot point. If you can't find the start menu in Windows, it doesn't matter what OS you're using.

[–] Peffse@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

funny you should say it like that. I just recently I tried using Debian's default GNOME desktop and thought I had corrupted the install somehow. I reinstalled the OS two more times because it kept dumping me into a nearly blank screen with no obvious buttons to click aside network/sound/power.

I'm used to LXDE, KDE, and Cinnamon, so this was completely foreign to me... and trying to find the web browser had me at a caveman level of confusion.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Only Office has a UI very similar to Word. I generally prefer LibreOffice for its functionality, but Only Office has an easy layout for Word users to learn.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The latest Libreoffice update has ribbon menus (optionally).

[–] Deckname@olio.cafe 3 points 3 weeks ago

Still looks and feels nothing like microshit office. For this, onlyoffice definitely has the upper hand.

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 points 3 weeks ago

It's not about ease of use. Remember Windows RT? It worked exactly like normal Windows and it still died because people didn't understand what it is and were confused but the limitations. Making Linux as similar to Windows as possible is not a solution for the masses. It works for people that understand what they are doing or have someone who does at hand. Normal Windows user will just try to install Word and download exe files and be confused that they don't work. If you want normal users to use Linux you need to make it clear that it's something different, like OS X or Chrome OS does. You basically need a major OEM to create immutable Linux distro with clear branding and offer commercial support for it. Android for Desktop basically which will be very similar to Chrome OS.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

It's always "one little thing", and often an OS-local feature that many wouldn't be aware of.

eg, You go to your grandma's to help with her computer. She mostly uses her web browser to check on news. BUT, she has one specific home-network file operation she performs regularly, using an old network drive that got set up decades ago by who-knows.

That's one tiny example, but there's hundreds of others around, and not from tech nuts. Someone has one specific VPN app they must use, on their personal device, infrequently, for work. Someone runs one app that still mentions Windows 95 compatibility. Someone with learning disabilities is very very used to the pattern of logging in, so much so that they're confused and ready to call IT when they don't get a Ctrl+Alt+Delete prompt.

Thankfully, those are often exaggerations, and it's good that most people's use cases for niche stuff has migrated to web apps. You're right that a lot of people really do only rely on their web browser. These days, even Edge is "sorta" available on Linux if someone is that dedicated to their list of bookmarks. Just don't expect it's always as simple as people not finding the start-menu-equivalent.

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 3 weeks ago

Microsoft’s ecosystem has been slowly pushing some users toward the exit. Hardware requirements for Windows 11 left millions of perfectly functional PCs behind. Ads on the Start menu and in system notifications have frustrated many. And for gamers, launcher problems, forced reboots and background processes that siphon resources have driven a search for alternatives.

No shit? That's crazy.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I imagine it would make a huge bump if Valve were to announce "Wait no longer, SteamOS is here!!", even if their release is just an overnight reskin-fork of (Bazzite/CachyOS/PopOS).

I say this as someone who tries to tell people, stop waiting on Valve, and try out a few of the options. I'm glad I found a distro that works for me, but I didn't enjoy the original search. I certainly got pressured into it as Microsoft really put as much effort as they could into making Windows as terrible as possible; and it was not "Everything works 100% out of box!" But the move was worthwhile.

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[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago

Well yeah, I would assume Steam would be a big priority for this scenario...

[–] pokexpert30@jlai.lu 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't mind DE to have a windows-mimicking workflow (cinnamon, KDE kinda) but modding Gnome to mimick windows is not great because it causes weird bug and maintenance issues. Aka it breaks easily and gives bad impressions to the user

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Yes. GNOME is great, but you better learn the logic behind it, it's not a DE that adjusts well to the user, it's actually the opposite, but if you get the gist of it, it works wonders.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah that's why I hate Gnome, they have ideas about how you should use your computer and those ideas aren't yours.

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

The way I see it, they have a proposal to make to you as a user. This is Linux, fortunately. There are plenty of choices to make, so you can try i3 or Sway to make things go exactly your way.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 weeks ago

for me, gnome seemed unnecessarily cumbersome to use with its minimalism

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Tumbleweed with KDE is honestly the smoothest work environment Ive had since Windows 7.

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[–] Jyrdano@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Its funny, seeing this article as a lifelong windows user, just after finishing a boot-up usb drive with Mint on it.

I have win11 at work and the whole experience feels awful. I have a new laptop coming up that comes without an OS installed. Ill rather deal with the hassle of installing and learning a new OS than paying Microsoft for license to have my PC full of ads and AI slop.

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[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 weeks ago

just installed linux mint over windows 10 on my mums laptop this weekend :)

[–] 4shtonButcher@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 weeks ago

Installed Mint on two aging family laptops. One is smoothly running 00s era games already and i barely needed to help the family member with that.

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