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Should Democrats Reframe Climate Change as an Affordability Issue? (www.kqed.org)

submitted 5 months ago by Sunshine@piefed.ca to c/usa@midwest.social

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[+] DancingBear@midwest.social 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

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[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yup, he is a corporate shill who would hand MAGA another win.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'd bet he could win in 2028, which is really scary. We'll be right back where we started and get a President Miller in 2032 after four more years of neoliberal bullshit. The number of Democratic voters seriously considering his run is honestly the darkest cloud in politics right now, and that says a lot.

I'll lay this out now. He won't have my vote if he is the candidate for 2028. That's non-negotiable as far as I'm concerned. We'll be more screwed if he wins than if he loses.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

We'll be more screwed if he wins than if he loses.

I'm not at all convinced this is the case. I hated Hillary, but I damn sure wish she'd been elected in 2016.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It's not even debatable at this point. Bill Clinton's presidency boosted fascism. Obama's presidency boosted fascism. Biden's presidency boosted fascism. Notice a pattern? Newsom is worse than all of those put together.

Neoliberal corporate shills are the soil that fascism grows in. Democrats made MAGA. Trump just adopted them.

I will not vote for Newsom. Demand a better candidate.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 months ago

That's basically a dishonest question. Some elements of environmentalism are explicitly about financial stability... Solar panels on your house give the electric company less ability to gouge you for power, right? ... But some things are medium run concerns or societal issues. You can't pretend these are what they aren't... Well, you can, but you'll lose your base.