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For those who don't find "far-right" to be an applicable descriptor with what is known currently, I acknowledge that the meme creator could have been more precise with their word choice. However, I feel the difference is academic:

We can replace “far right” with the easily verified “not leftist” without changing the meme whatsoever, primarily because the meme is about Nancy Mace and her mercurial, disingenuous opinion, not (directly) about the shooter.

Edit - I modified it, though I still find it to be a distinction without a difference - alt version for those who prefer (whoops missed one first time)

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[–] nozone@sh.itjust.works 86 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Wasn't he a Mormon? Didn't he already find Jesus Christ? It didn't seem to make a difference at all...

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 1 day ago (39 children)

Mormons aren't Christians, at least according to those Christians who hate Mormons. They might believe in Jesus Christ but they didn't find him. This might seem like a distinction without a difference but only because it is.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] klu9@piefed.social 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Took me longer than I care to admit 😅

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

sorry for my lack of red circles

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[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ypu are mistaken as to how that argument goes.

The idea is that Christianity is a separate faith from Judaism because they have an entirely different set of texts and a different view of the relationship with God and what is expected of the faithful.

Islam is a separate faith of Christianity and Judaism as it too has additional texts and a different perspective on God than what Judaism and Christianity has (which again differ themselves).

Thus LDS is a different faith because it has a wholly new set of texts, it has a radically different view of the relationship with God than every other Abrahamic faith, and we have a lot of evidence that suggests Joseph Smith was outright fabricating everything. That's a critical difference and suggests it should be seen as something else following the same standards applied to all otherAbrahamic faiths.

[–] livejamie@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wouldn't say "wholly new set," more like "additional set."

The KJB is a foundation of their theology and taught in all their churches.

And yeah, he was making everything up; that's how you start any religion. :)

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

All of Smith’s texts are wholly new fabricated by him.

The fact is we don’t have the quantity of evidence for the fabrication of most faiths to the extent we have for LDS.

[–] livejamie@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago

True, it's relatively new compared to the others.

Yet people still follow it, dude literally just made it up

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[–] Tempus_Fugit@midwest.social 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And why would you listen to their definitions? They are Christianity, sure not mainline, but as kooky and deranged.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

To be clear: I was being sarcastic. In a different reply I said that there is no authority who can decide who's a real Christian and who isn't. It's all about self identification and they identify as such so they are Christians

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[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 113 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Nice that they have so clearly broadcasted their double standards

It demonstrates that rational people should not attempt to compromise with these cultists and prioritise blocking and removal. They are not reliable or consistent.

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Nobody moral (who believed, at the very least, in the virtue of honesty) or rational ever gave them anything but the middle finger. But America was cooked from the get go, and with a national ethos similar to that of a greedy, unstable rapist, Trump, MAGA and everything we're seeing now were inevitable.

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I was just thinking about how i often fail to remember that this country was founded on the genocide of its prior inhabitants. We are the descendants of those responsible for that genocide. There is plenty of toxicity that got passed along the generations leading us here and it doesn't seem likely it's gonna go away.

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yep. And it goes back further. The religious freedom the Puritans wanted was essentially to be able to be more authoritarian.

The puritans[2] who settled New England in 1630 were not coming to America to promote religious freedom for all, but to achieve for themselves a freedom from the church and civil officials in England who had prevented them from pursuing their faith as they believed God wanted them to. The settlement of Massachusetts presented the colonists with their first opportunity to decide what views and actions were acceptable and to prohibit what was not.

Edited to add - in case this wasn't blunt enough, just like conservatives have been for my entire life; the freedom they want on any given axis is actually the freedom to control others on that same axis.

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago (6 children)

There was a comedian that once said "remember, America is a country that was founded by people that were too uptight for England."

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[–] zakobjoa@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago (6 children)

The far-right stuff isn't proven yet. He just seems terminally online.

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 25 points 1 day ago

Bare minimum he was a maga kid in a maga family, and that's the reason for her change of tone. None of the other stuff is relevant to the point here.

[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 10 points 1 day ago

Nothing is proven yet for anything, even that he was the shooter.

That said - these are all very specific references for a very specific community, even down to his Halloween costumes.

I'd be absolutely shocked if he held any belief that hinted toward the actual left.

[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 day ago (13 children)

Right. I see people here, who I share a lot of the same views with, as doing the same as the extreme right and just running with whatever is trending and not actually looking for the truth.

We can’t trust anything that is said by the media until we learn the actual full details.

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[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Bring back? Isn’t Utah one of the fuckwit medieval states (I mean the whole country is rotten but still) that still has bloodlust punishment?

[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And yet, a fascist was still eradicated! Are you trying to tell me murdering murderers doesn't prevent murders?
Who knew!?

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago

Man creates state.
State creates monster.
Man kills monster.
State kills man.

-Thus Spoke Magathustra

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[–] elvith@feddit.org 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No, that’s NOT what he’d want. He’d want us to bail him out: https://xcancel.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1587127536122732544

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[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do we have any evidence of his political views from a named source that is verified to have been in close contact with him before the shooting?

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

Is that a requirement for a meme about Nancy Mace's abrupt about-face? It seems a bit rigorous for a community where we share mostly regurgitated memes and screenshots.

I feel pretty satisfied. The viewer can make up their own mind, or find their own sources.

Edit: We can replace "far right" with the easily verified "not leftist" without changing the meme whatsoever, primarily because the meme is about Nancy Mace and her mercurial, disingenuous opinion, not (directly) about the shooter.

I think we should be careful promoting any claims as to why he killed Kirk. The narrative surrounding the Columbine school shooting was that the killers were loner loser nerds who were bullied and acting in revenge. The FBI profile released years later suggested they were bullies, weren't popular nor unpopular and one of the killers likely had ASPD and would have potentially killed people in other situations.

We should be very careful how we promote the views of people involved in this crime until we know why he did it.

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[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I’m just wondering if the TPUSA folks are gonna get even with Nick Fuentes or if they are going to let the groypers get away with it like the little bitches they are.

[–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 day ago

Him being killed by gang violence right after saying "including gang violence" is just the cherry on top.

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[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not that hypocrisy carries any weight on the right, but for those who are keeping score.

For a fascist, overt hypocrisy is a sign of strength.

The sheep are bound by their previous statements. The lions do whatever they want.

When you accuse a fascist if hypocrisy, you are giving them a big, big compliment.

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