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Dell's CES 2026 chat was the most pleasingly un-AI briefing I've had in maybe 5 years

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[–] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 140 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Despite Dell being a horrible brand and company this is significant. Finally a big player states the obvious and gets back to actually focusing on what consumers want. Again, it's Dell and I won't touch their products with a ten foot pole, but the messaging is really quite frank and surprising. I wonder if others will follow.

[–] jinwk00@sh.itjust.works 55 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Their business and enterprise lineup has been solid however though, e.g. Latitude, PowerEdge, etc.

[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 42 points 1 week ago

I agree. Their business line up and support is great. It's just a shame that their consumer service is piss poor.

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 72 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Dude! You're getting a ~~AI bloated monstrosity~~ dell!*

--*Terms subject to change. Consumer has no rights. You own nothing. Operating system may insert AI against your will. Fuck you.

This is what computers feel like these days. Remember when you just BOUGHT the hardware, AND the software? So there was a reasonable expectation that the products were to do what we wanted them to do.

Now, somehow WE are the products. We own nothing. And it gets more restrictive every generation.

Even Android is becoming more closed source. And it will soon be harder to avoid AI. Android is still a google product remember. And you KNOW google wants us all using AI.

This was a big factor for me using linux for the past year, despite not knowing what I'm doing. Don't know what I'll do about cell phone though.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yes. The phone is the real kicker. They're gonna cut you off from modern life unless you buy into the Google ecosystem. More and more apps are required to do mundane things, ride a bus or train, book a ticket to an event, charge your car, split expenses with your friends or handle money in general. Gadgets and appliances have companion apps to properly make use of them. I'd have 5 authenticator apps on my phone to do paperwork. And I won't be able to communicate with friends or find out if the shop is closed today unless I have an account and maybe the app of some platform. All of that is proprietary, part of surveillance capitalism. And it's getting proceedingly more difficult to evade Google, because they're slowly adding SafetyNet and device verification to many apps. And of course sprinkle some AI on top because that's what we do and it aligns with the rest of it. Or Google just changes strategy and asserts more control over every phone user as needed for their corporate interests.

We're not there yet. I still have GrapheneOS on my phone and I'm doing alright. It's not very comfortable, though, and I can clearly feel which way we're headed.

With the computer/laptop, it's easy. Backup your data, wipe it and install Linux. It's gonna take a while to get accustomed if you're used to a different operating system... But I don't think it's more difficult to use or anything in the long run. The initial extra work is an investment that pays off later. I'm fairly sure Linux is the one platform that will resist and keep coming with default settings without AI and corporate surveillance.

Interestingly enough, it's also used by big tech to power all the servers and AI services. But at the end of the day it empowers everyone.

[–] Sparrow_1029@programming.dev 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I just switched to GrapheneOS myself -- and yeah I'm feeling the inconvenience. Having to do workarounds curretly to get RCS working (T-Mobile, AT&T), not having an option for tap-to-pay bc "Your operating system is insecure" 🙄) and Google/Apple/SamsungPay are your only options. Haven't tried adding any tickets or transit passes to see if they work with NFC yet.

In general I feel better finally having switched off stock android because in my friend group I'm the only digital privacy advocate and have been talking about doing it forever. However, as I continue to transfer to the new device, I notice more and more the number of apps that I use that are only available through the play store. Health and banking apps that are the only convenient way to use a service on mobile. Apps that are necessary if you travel a lot.

Basically it's incredibly hard to de-google if you're not in the apple ecosystem. I have one co-worker who has started "digital homesteading" (self-hosting) a lot of stuff for their family, and has discovered: it's an incredible amount of stuff we offload into the cloud. E-mail, photos, personal documents, calendar, health, finances, streaming media instead of owning it. Transitioning all of that remote convenience to an on-prem setup at home (or a cloud VPS I guess) is very possible with self-hosted alternatives. But, it requires a high level of technical knawledge and expertise AND now you're the IT person for all of that infrastructure.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 8 points 1 week ago

I've been part of that game for a long time as well. I guess it used to be easier when things were a bit simpler, more transparent and less connected. But there's no way this works in the modern world with the amount of complexity (and intransparency) stuffed into an average electric vehicle. Or getting a doctor's appointment via Doctolib.

We better take care of this, though.

I wish selfhosting was a bit easier. I do that as well. My stuff is on a Nextcloud. We have all these alternatives available and it works quite well. We'd really need to make it available to everyone, though. Like a home wifi router, or a small device that people just plug in, with an unbreakable and maintanence-free selfhosting solution for home use. We have several projects aiming at that. But I don't think we're quite there yet. I think something like Home-Assistant is almost there, just for a different niche. It's relatively easy to just buy a RaspberryPi or their box, set it up. It's almost indestructible and by paying a few bucks a month they take care of making it available from outside and some money goes towards development and a healty community.

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[–] Encephalotrocity@feddit.online 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I literally just switched to Mint over the holidays. Any advice?

[–] 404@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 week ago

Have fun and keep exploring, that's my advice :)

[–] YoSoySnekBoi@kbin.earth 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If you want your apps to be up to date, use flatpak. Mint prioritizes stability over keeping up to date, so their system repos are often behind on features.

Flatpak gives the best of both worlds, the tradeoff being much higher disk space usage and some apps not liking being sandboxed.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There was never a time, at least in my lifetime, where software wasn't licenced and you actually owned it. The only real difference is that it was much harder to stop you from using it when, even if you went online, you weren't online 24/7 and shit was slow, and your software came on physical media that wouldn't change over time at the whims of the creator.

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Linux Phones and Linux Phone OS do exist, but they're quite far behind on things, best for extending life of older ones than as your everyday

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[–] flandish@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

somehow

Capitalism. That’s the how.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Welcome to capitalism, where everything is shitty so some rich white dudes can get richer.

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[–] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 65 points 1 week ago (5 children)

It never ceases to amaze me how companies can hate consumer money so much. They all know we all fucking hate AI and yet no one refuses to crank up the money generating machine by giving consumers what they want. It's like they have an ulterior motive or something.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Because companies don't serve customers. They serve shareholders.

AI is the hotness right now and every boards of directors wants to know what the company plans to do with AI.

[–] daizelkrns@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Not just shareholders. We've had several employees asking how is our company leveraging AI, or why he haven't implemented AI into our products. We don't sell anything even closely related to tech. Hell, our product doesn't even use electricity. It's insane

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

People on Lemmy hate AI. People who have even a modicum of knowledge about AI hate AI.

Get outside your echo chamber and 90% just blindly accept AI. They make images with it. They use AI search results as “research”. They quote AI results.

It’s the blind 90% they cater to. Not us.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I’d say 90% is pretty high.

My sample size of “a few people not on Lemmy or Reddit” hate AI shoved in their faces. They may use ChatGPT some, or Copilot at work because they have to, but that’s it. They are interested in that AI specifically, not their fridge generating body horror on demand.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I"ve had my uncle, complete luddite, ask me how to get his computer to stop bothering him about AI because "I don't understand it."

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[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They all know we all fucking hate AI and yet no one refuses to crank up the money generating machine

Because there really isn't any money in building things people actually want. Creating an actually useful product takes investments in infrastructure and labour, all the things that shareholders hate.

In our economy we don't make money by building things, we make money by withholding things and selling access to them.

It's why the monied class is so obsessed with AI. It sells the dream that you can not only get rid of labour cost, but actually make money off of selling access to the simulacrum of it.

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[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Business people are so separated from the rest of the world they have no idea how your average person operates. "Whaddaya mean people don't like the robot that will kill jobs at the cost of the environment?!" People who need jobs and live in the environment- :|

[–] artyom@piefed.social 9 points 1 week ago

Investor money is so much more than consumer money...

[–] Zedd00@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Too bad their build quality is absolutely shit. I'd always wanted an Alienware growing up, but they were way out of my budget. In 2020, I bought my wife and I new Alienware laptops. $5000 worth of laptops. Mine did a firmware update and died in 2023. Dell offered to diagnose it for $200 if I shipped it to them. My wife's has had to be repaired 3 times, and her hdmi port died yesterday.

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I have a 2018 XPS and its build quality is quite good.

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 week ago

Business lines are like that, see also Thinkpad.

[–] myrmidex@belgae.social 6 points 1 week ago

Yea, wife and I are still running 2017 XPS, no issues at all over all these years and travels

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[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I have an IBM ThinkPad R32, and even the original battery is still holding a 40ish minute charge. Things used to be built to last. Not so much anymore.

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This battery phenomenon actually boggles my mind, if somebody knows what's going on and is willing to help clarify.

Lithium batteries are lithium batteries. They all degrade over time and with cycle count, nothing manufacturers can do about it.

But why are lithium batteries from the GameBoy Advance still capable of holding a charge today, and why you can find old power sucking laptops with original batteries that at least hold charge for an hour, but modern lithium batteries simply die after three years?

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[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 1 week ago (15 children)

So, the shittiest computer brand is the one to chose the better road without AI?What's next, Apple creating budget systems? Microsoft creating a privacy driven OS?

[–] mean_bean279@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

In the K12 computer space I always found it was cheaper to buy Apple devices for my users. Both from the fact that those devices did actually have less problems and lasted longer and so required less human monetary investment, but also an actual cost perspective since a MacBook Air could be bought for $800 after education enterprise discounts. Which was a much better than most devices in that price range (this was like 2018).

And in a world where HP exists you say the shittiest computer brand with dell?? (I work in tech sales now and I always joke with first time customers that they have to tell me their brand preference first since everyone in IT has a preference of devices between Dell, HP and Lenovo.)

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[–] v3r4@lemmy.org 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Why shittiest? The do pretty good pcs

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[–] Kiernian@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What's next, Apple creating budget systems?

According to our IT department at work, a Mac is now on-par for price in the Q1 2026 numbers we have for our region with the Lenovos we have been getting and cheaper than comparable (hardware spec enterprise type) HP models, so kinda, yeah.

Currently it sounds like any member of our workforce that wants a Mac can get one now, where previously it was deemed cost-prohibitive and required an exception and approval.

Who knows if that will hold, though, those numbers might be based on Apple's existing stock of RAM and subject to change when they need to re-up.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago

That is lovely.

…Hear that?

That’s the sound of a bubble wobbling.

[–] TomMasz@lemmy.world 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You mean the "first to realise after all of us", right?

[–] thesdev@feddit.org 22 points 1 week ago

Perhaps first one on the big-brand manufacturer side.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh they all realize it. They just don't care.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Many of them have invested heavily into AI and are panicking that it's not going to pay off soon, or perhaps ever.

So they push it even harder hoping their bet will somehow turn around and they won't have to take the hit to their stock options or reputations.

People often think CEOs and upper management attained their positions because they are experts in the field and savvy at their jobs, but many of them have just failed upwards with a high appetite for risk-taking and low ethical standards - they're often actually shockingly unskilled idiots. 'Trumps', if you will.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 11 points 1 week ago

They know it's not going to pay off. They just don't care. Because they will collect fat fucking checks from investors in the interim.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

But this isn't like withholding information about the core counts of the chips inside your machine, or the TGP of the mobile GPU at its heart for fear of confusing some fictitious customer. There are people who care about the hardware inside these devices, but it's becoming clear there are precious few who care about the AI components or theoretical capabilities of those machines.

Oh, there are. I’m one of them.

There are dozens of us!

…Problem is, NPUs are junk.

I could ramble on, but basically they’ve fallen into the hole of “obtuse proprietary APIs for esoteric hardware” that FPGAs did, so no one wrote anything useful for them outside of business niches, like (say) face recognition to login to Windows or embedded vision stuff for industrial robots. I can’t do anything useful with an NPU, even being familiar with the software stacks/APIs.

To be more concrete, if I had a shiny new laptop and wanted to use my NPU for an LLM, my only option is basically proprietary weights of llama 8B. A tiny, obsolete model, with obsolete quantization, with obsolete sampling and features and API.

Vision? Audio? Forget it. Same with newer models; no one is working on it. Going outside the tiny NPU memory pool for offloading? Batching? Laughs.

And you couldn’t even run old models until ~2025! It wasn’t even developed. Best one can do right now is the AMD Lemonade or a similar Intel docker server because it’s otherwise such a nightmare to install/develop. How many laptop buyers do you think use docker for an obscure piece of software?

And why the heck would I even bother with that when I can run GLM 4.6V 120B quickly on a CPU and tiny GPU? And, more importantly, it fucking works.

The only functional “AI” product in the western market is Strix Halo (branded as the AMD AI Max series), which is so expensive it’s not worth it over used stuff. Until now, I guess.

The Chinese market is a bit different with homegrown server NPUs, but that’s a whole other tangent.


TL;DR:

Brands don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about, as their products don’t actually work for self hosting/local inference. It’s all bullshit!

Dell finally figured that out. Good on them.

[–] Binturong@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] LostWanderer@fedia.io 20 points 1 week ago

Well that's fucking refreshing, now that Dell has dropped that truth bomb, hopefully other companies follow suit! As Dell as seen the race to the bottom that a lot of tech firms that drank the Koolaid are beginning to engage with. Making a business decision not to market based on AI and instead functional computers with the option, is much better! Even better if they start working with Linux (as I know you can get some of their PCs with a Linux distro installed instead of the Microslop OS).

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Dell was probably pissed that I didn't get a new PC after I refused to upgrade my 2018 PC.

I got that sort of clout you know

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Damn, think you can convince them to make more AMD options, too?

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[–] lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Can anyone explain what an AI PC is? How is it different from a regular PC? Are you running a model locally or something?

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.wtf 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

AI computers have a NPU chip in them. These ones do too, the article seems to be mostly about how they're not marketing AI heavily because people really don't care about AI.

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[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Bad news, they're still doing AI despite knowing it's not profitable

https://xcancel.com/Dexerto/status/2008950427459649811

Despite that admission, Dell confirmed that AI hardware remains a core part of its product strategy

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