Based. Censorship no bueno
this post was submitted on 10 Jan 2026
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I mention it to my friends and family every chance I get. I try to explain that the digital walls they're building aren't going to keep us safe but I'm always met with tired indifference.
about as safe as when in prison
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Are they becoming less shitty or is this accidentally doing the right thing?
They did as sort of positive thing while praising Elon and Vance, despite both their visions of “free speech” as being “free speech for what I like and not you”
So a hearty fuck Cloudflare, fuck American tech for one again operating in a country and refusing to follow their laws, and fuck the entire billionaire apparatus who are so deep in the circle jerk they don’t know how to come up for air and not act like fascists for 10 seconds.
the Italian law is overly broad here, but that doesn’t excuse this behaviour.
fuck American tech for one again operating in a country and refusing to follow their laws
Fuck government overreach. And fuck anyone defending it.
You fight government overreach by civil disobedience, not by corporatist overreach in the same manner.
If you give a free pass to corporations disobeying laws just because you personally dislike those laws, soon you'll find all regulations are pointless because no corporation follows them...
Also, there's no such thing as "governmental overreach" in a well working system that is FOR the people and BY the people. You elect the representatives, you have a say in what laws get passed. I do agree that we could do with a refresher because the current forms of representative democracy are breaking thanks to (primarily right wing) political false marketing with no repercussions, and nowadays we do have a way to have people give direct input on laws and regulations before they get passed, but that doesn't negate the fact that the government isn't supposed to be some shady ruler class but rather a form of communal governance.
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Two wrongs don’t make a right.
I’m with you on these stupid laws too.
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Nah, fuck Italy on this one. Capitalists demanding censorship to protect their profits are never right.
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They’re arguing that applying filters would degrade performance for everyone. So.. to me that kinda sounds like accidentally doing the right thing.
Seems fairly plausible that they cant change 1.1.1.1 behaviour per country.
At least, not readonably. Dns is the one place where people spend a lot of effort saving microseconds (and less) on each look up.
Cf has always been taking the "freedom of speech absolutist" approach.
they probably know that if they start censoring then some portion of users will stop using their DNS because it would prevent them from going to the websites they want to visit
Any DNS beginning filtering anything gets removed from my Adguard Home. I will do my filtering myself. Ads and nazi websites like *.il, or whitehouse.gov for example do not load in my network.
Whats wrong with *il? Its just domain, like com
That belongs to a terrorist organization. No thanks.
As a European, I've really come around to a more American view of Free Speech.
Over the last few years, we get more and more laws requiring more and more surveillance and censorship to protect copyright, stop hate speech, enforce GDPR, ... We're building up this infrastructure and the population thinks it's fine. The courts go along and ask for more.
What is going to happen when a European Trump comes to power? You think it's terrible that Big Tech goes along with Trump? That Must bought Twitter? We ain't seen nothing yet.
just to be clear, it seems like you are referring to the claimed american view of free speech, not the reality
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The US has no limits which is fucking stupid, meanwhile Canada has limits on hate speech while still being far more free than the US speech wise.
limits on hate speech
which is bullshit: not being merely offended is not a fundamental liberty, no imminent risk of damage to an interest a person has a basic right to results from merely expressing an opinion.
such laws are readily abused
- German repression of political expression: live police suppressing pro-Palestinian protests as anti-semitic, raids & arrests over calling a politician pimmel, internet patrols penalizing vitriol, insults, & satirical images of politicians showing fake quotes
- UK repression of political expression: designate Palestine Action as a terrorist organization, arrest pro-Palestinian protesters, arrest someone over a social media post backing Palestine Action
& ineffective at preventing the ideas & ideologies they oppose from taking root & gaining power. the advocates of repressive policies are only mildly inconvenienced or continue undeterred underground. the German AfD isn't struggling. far-right parties like Reform UK keep going. so, they fail to keep anyone in check while also undermining basic freedoms.
ability to justify truth & correctness is far more important than attempting to coerce conformity to correctness through dogma, taboo, & censorship. weak ability to justify makes people incompetent defenders & weak believers of correctness. individuals hone justifications & acquire competence to deliberate effectively through practice of vigorous & open deliberation with adversarial positions. censorship, even of incorrect belief, robs both those whose speech is suppressed and their audience of open deliberation they need to justify their beliefs and actions competently & effectively.
only cowards fear words.
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Corps are getting bigger than countries and starting to flex. Scary shit.
Jennifer Government and Snow Crash here we come. Except we don’t get any of the cool shit fictional cyber-dystopias do.
Don't praise Cloudflare or Italy; both are part of the problem.
Blocking cloudflare is about as useful as a screen door on a submarine. Unless they start blocking IPs like the great firewall of china blocking any DNS is kinda pointless. Unless maybe if the domain’s primary name servers are cloudflare but I can’t seeing any site doing nefarious things using cloudflare. Run your own DNS resolver on a VPS somewhere besides Italy.
My worry is the internet starts getting terribly segmented and not interconnected. That would be more of an issue.
So then the Italian court orders its local ISPs to blackhole 1.1.1.1 (which would be stupid easy). Which will end up pushing people to VPNs but still satisfy the court order.
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